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Drew345



Joined: 24 May 2005

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:34 am    Post subject: Bad Korean Language Teacher Reply with quote

I'm studying Korean at a local hagwon, and my teacher this month (they do month long blocks) is really bad. She seems nice enough; she doesn't seem to know how bad she is. Her idea of teaching is writing sentences on the board, having everybody copy the sentences down in our notebooks, and saying the sentences together. This is a level 3 (5th month of study) intermediate class. The student talk time is down to about 2 sentences an hour, except for the follow the teacher sentences. She has never heard of the concept of student pair work to get student-talk-time up. The third hour is supposed to be a practice activity, but actually she just stretches the grammar instruction out really long and slow, so there's never time for a practice activity.
So, I am thinking about asking her to step up her game, after all, I am paying good money for this. I just want to point out to get the student talk time up, and if she doesn't know how, ask the other teachers how. I want to also tell her that the practice part of class is not optional, you gotta get to it!
Anyway, you think this is a good idea. Or is it just going to make her loose face and not do a bit of good. I am a good bit older than her, so I think it's OK for me to tell the teacher to pick it up, if I do it right.
Did you ever have a student in your English class tell you to pick up your game?
Thanks,
Drew


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nick70100



Joined: 09 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anyway, you think this is a good idea. Or is it just going to make her loose face and not do a bit of good.


It probably will make her lose face, but you don't have much of a choice. You're the customer here. If you're not satisfied with the service you're receiving you should do something about it. Will it do any good? That depends on her. If it doesn't, talk to the management of the hagwon. They'll usually try hard to keep your money coming in every month. If that doesn't work, go to another hagwon. There are plenty of them out there.
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Johnwayne



Joined: 28 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your Korean teacher is anything like my past one, she will take even the most benign and subtle form of criticism towards her teaching methods as a personal affront to her very existence and stop just short of challenging you to a duel to the death.

So, you are probably better off just finding a new class/teacher if you can. Trying to give constructive feedback will more than likely not go down the way you would hope.
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Drew345



Joined: 24 May 2005

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can totally imagine her reacting that way. Followed by a month of sarcasm and glaring.
I wish I could think of a nice way to give constructive criticism (and get more from this month's study)
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Died By Bear



Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took classes at Yonsei Foreign Language Institute. They have very good Korean teachers there. Outstanding, you will fall in love with your teacher. Seen it happen four times. The homework is hard, the classes are challenging, but don't expect to sit around for an hour or two just pairing with a partner. They make you work that vocab and grammar like there's no tomorrow. You will work hard. But you will learn. In the end, you will be hard, lean, and ready to communicate with Koreans.

if you survive Yonsei KLI you will be a weapon, you will be a minister of the language, praying for confrontations. But until that day you are invisible to Koreans! You're the lowest form of life on Earth. You are not even a human being! Because your classes are hard, you will not like them. But the more you hate practicing vocab and grammar, the more you will learn. Korean is hard, but Korea is fair!

*disclaimer*
Spoofed from FMJ
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Jane



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Bad Korean Language Teacher Reply with quote

Drew345 wrote:
Did you ever have a student in your English class tell you to pick up your game?


Sure, Korean students may vocalize their opinions to English teachers, but it doesn't make it necessarity appropriate!

Koreans go about things in a passive/aggressive manner usually, and in this case, it means leaving the class without a word. Look for a different school to learn. If you don't like the new school, you can always go back to the school you're at now.

If you do want to stay where you are because the location is good or another reason, the way to go about it is to ask the teacher to include activities that you want to do, and not mention the fact that her classes suck. She will be more likely to make changes--and not give you the evil eye for three hour periods at a time.
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Drew345



Joined: 24 May 2005

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I was kind of spoiled by going to Sogang University Korean Language Program last year; that is a top notch organization (as I am sure Yonsei is).
This semester, because I will go to America in April, I am studying two separate month long blocks at a hakwon.
That's a good idea, I'll just tell her that more activities would be nice. Maybe I'll point out that the course description says the third hour should be practice and activities. If she makes an excuse for not being able to get to the exercises, I'll mention maybe ask the other teachers about it.
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Landros



Joined: 19 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:21 pm    Post subject: after class Reply with quote

just talk to her after class and ask he if she would mind scheduling more pair work. I wouldn't point to any class descriptions or suggest she talks to other teachers. Just tell her you'd like to have some time trying to use the language point with another student during her class.
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just do what Koreans do: complain to the front desk. Pull yourself from the course and move to the next hagwon.
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ESL Milk "Everyday



Joined: 12 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bobbybigfoot wrote:
Just do what Koreans do: complain to the front desk. Pull yourself from the course and move to the next hagwon.


For sure.

Tell her boss, and her boss will tell her. Tell her boss that you're not getting what you want out of the course and then make some constructive suggestions. If the suggestion comes from him (or her), then the teacher will pretty much have to take them.

Or maybe after your 6 years spent in Korea you think that she would be able to handle a direct confrontation?
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rainman3277



Joined: 13 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL Milk "Everyday wrote:
bobbybigfoot wrote:
Just do what Koreans do: complain to the front desk. Pull yourself from the course and move to the next hagwon.


For sure.

Tell her boss, and her boss will tell her. Tell her boss that you're not getting what you want out of the course and then make some constructive suggestions. If the suggestion comes from him (or her), then the teacher will pretty much have to take them.

Or maybe after your 6 years spent in Korea you think that she would be able to handle a direct confrontation?


Yes, run to her boss and complain. Are you kidding me? You 8 yrs old? I don't care if you call if "constructive", its just whining.
This is not a difficult question. As was mentioned before, make a polite request after class. The simplest solution is usually the correct one. If that doesn't change things, cross that bridge when you get to it.
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rainman3277 wrote:
ESL Milk "Everyday wrote:
bobbybigfoot wrote:
Just do what Koreans do: complain to the front desk. Pull yourself from the course and move to the next hagwon.


For sure.

Tell her boss, and her boss will tell her. Tell her boss that you're not getting what you want out of the course and then make some constructive suggestions. If the suggestion comes from him (or her), then the teacher will pretty much have to take them.

Or maybe after your 6 years spent in Korea you think that she would be able to handle a direct confrontation?


Yes, run to her boss and complain. Are you kidding me? You 8 yrs old? I don't care if you call if "constructive", its just whining.
This is not a difficult question. As was mentioned before, make a polite request after class. The simplest solution is usually the correct one. If that doesn't change things, cross that bridge when you get to it.


He's a paying customer, it's absolutely appropriate to complain to the owner/manager if you aren't' getting the service you paid for. If he was working there it might be appropriate to speak with her first, but that is not the situation here.
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Drew345



Joined: 24 May 2005

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I didn't bring it up to her today. Today she actually did do a listening exercise during the last hour. She didn't do it well ...She just gave out the multiple choice answer sheet and then started reading (no activate prior knowledge before, no discussion afterward)...but at least it was an activity. Then we did a vocab activity that was a total time filler, but she did stay with us 10 minutes extra to finish it. So, since she worked 10 minutes extra with us, I figured it's not a good day to ask for changes.
She is actually nice and wants to teach well. She just has a really bad book (hakwon issued) and maybe very little training (OK, my 4 weeks ESL training isn't that much either). Anyway, since she is nice and does try, I'll mention things to her first, not the management. Of course I thought about going to the management, since that's what mom's do at the English hakwons, but were all level-headed adults in this situation, so best to not start with that one.
Anyway, sometime in the future, I'll just ask for more activities in class, specifically speaking activities-not just answering teacher questions, real activities. I'll just start with that request.
Anyway, thanks for letting me get my ideas straight here, so I didn't go in and say "look, your screwing this up here with a..b..c.."
Drew
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r.



Joined: 06 May 2006

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For things like this, I quit classes and now I have a private Korean tutor over video skype. I learn a lot more 1 on 1 too, and get to practice speaking more often.

The best thing is that there are no annoying students!

200,000w for 10 90 minute sessions.

PM me if you are interested and I can try to connect you with my teacher. She is good.
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Murakano



Joined: 10 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Died By Bear wrote:
I took classes at Yonsei Foreign Language Institute. They have very good Korean teachers there. Outstanding, you will fall in love with your teacher. Seen it happen four times. The homework is hard, the classes are challenging, but don't expect to sit around for an hour or two just pairing with a partner. They make you work that vocab and grammar like there's no tomorrow. You will work hard. But you will learn. In the end, you will be hard, lean, and ready to communicate with Koreans.



*disclaimer*
Spoofed from FMJ


I was going to ask the OP if this was Yonsei as the teaching methods sounded similar....drill/repeat etc.....not that much talk time Laughing

Been said to death but Sogang for the speaking, Yonsei for the grammar. The level 3 Yonsei students who came to Sogang were a bit quite behind the Sogang students in speaking for example but more knowledgeable about grammar structures etc.

Which school is it OP?
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