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Korean food in America, why it hasn't caught on....
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definetely the COST!!! Other Asian food can be had quite cheaply. Korean food definetely not.

I miss it like mad in the States.. but trying to bring your date or girl or family there.. $20 minimum per portion for galbi.. so with your girl plus a few drinks its upwards to $50+ plus tips as well for two people.

I'd rather take her to the Vietnamese restaurant down the street and get us both filled up for $12 total including tip.

Also the cheap Korean food kinda sucks compared to Thai, Vietnamese, etc.. who would want to go eat bibimbop for $4-5 when you can have pad thai or lemongrass chicken or something infinitely more tasty.

If Koreans really want Korean food to catch on.. charge $5-7 for a gabli portion in those restaurants!!
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed. Ate Korean 2 or 3 times in Vancouver in 1998. It was $20 per head for galbi minus a lot of the extras you'd get here. No kimchi. It was still good and my buddies were impressed but I told 'em it's twice as good at half the price in Korea. I told the ajumma in Vancouver that too. She said she knew but had to follow business sense to make the profit there. And a soju was between 15-20 CDN dollars too! Yikes. Makes ya wonder, did they have to buy separate airplane tickets for each bottle of soju?? Oh "bibimbap" was about 8 bucks at another Korean restaurant, not too much I guess (8 CDN being 6000 won at the time)
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is because Korean food is too spicy, and foreigners can't handle any spicy foods. Didn't you know?
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Cthulhu



Joined: 02 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We ate some kickass Korean food (I had jaeyukpokkum/spicy pork + rice) a few weeks ago on Bloor Street in Toronto. $4.99-6.99 for 90% of the huge menu. Just like Korea and no tip required either--the place even looked like an average no-name greasy spoon in Busan. But I agree that these places are not common and those not located in a Koreantown area are usually priced way too high. Find a Koreantown near you and just go where the Koreans go... Smile
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wylde



Joined: 14 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it seems to be the food i'd throw in the trash at home that's use to cook with here... I could have sold the rubbish in my restaurant to a korean restaurant and had no wastage at all. it's for damn sure that the food they use is certainly rubbish and only what starving people would eat where i'm from.

i think it is mostly vomit and i could never honestly say it is 'good'.

enjoy it all you like but i am able to have my opinion thanks..
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Cthulhu



Joined: 02 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem with me. Doesn't change my opinion of it at all and it won't change my opinion of your opinion.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

helly wrote:

2. Customer focus : Korean businesses, restaraunts included, focus on Koreans. (Could be one of the reasons why the locate businesses almost exclusively in Korean communities). Quality/level of service is similar to what I experienced in Korea (rushed, no checking back on quality, brash). Also, no explanation of different types of food (What would you recommend) because a) limited English b) most customers are Korean so no need and c) do not recognize the value in this. Thus, most non-Koreans who eat Korean food only recognize a small portion of what is available.
Very Happy


Well said. I think #2 is probably the key. Thai food is as spicy as Korean food. In some places thai food is so common it's almost boring. It's reached McDonald's level . "Oh thai again? I suppose..." Curiously you find a lot more Koreans in most cities than Thai people. Yet in any significantly advanced North American city, you'll find a dozens if not hundreds of honkey-friendly thai restaurants.

Sushi started off in the early 80s as a stock talk show joke. But it became very trendy with celebs and it moved into the mainstream.

Koreans on the other hand have always seemed to believe North Americans don't like their food so why even try? Most cities have enough Korean people to create a self sustaining Korean restaurant industry.

The situation is changing. I did notice on my last trip to my home town of Toronto that modern, slick, honkey friendly Korean bbq restaurants are springing up in trendy neighborhoods, far from the traditional k-towns.

The day will come.
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shaun k



Joined: 23 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylde's first post on this thread was funny. very funny...i dont understand some getting uptight about what he said -- surely a man can choose what he eats.

but if you get out of the city and on to a farm you can experience some proper home cooking here in korea. it's good country food, and i love it. it's true they dont waste anything, but it's also true that they eat the best parts as well...and there is something special about spending a few hours picking some stuff from the ground and then cooking and eating it, or eating some beef that was raised in the barn next to the kitchen. it feels right. you also have to have a passel of kids roaming around at full volume, and a few old people knocking back soju like water. for ambiance.

the american south, of course, has its own version of country food -- black-eyed peas, greens, pot liquer, chicken livers...and when you're there eating it, it's good (i do, however, refuse to eat the intestines of any animal, even if it's called "chitlins" or whatever...no matter how you spice it up, it still tastes like ass). i grew up in san francisco, and know and love a well prepared meal from a fine restaurant, but i also can appreciate the pleasures to be had from sitting with a bunch of downhome folk and digging in. as my uncle would say, "sitting with the right people makes the beans special".
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Kiddirts



Joined: 25 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:04 pm    Post subject: yeah Reply with quote

buddy bradley wrote:
Here's my theory: Chinese, Thai, Italian, German, American, Greek, Swiss, Mexican - they're all better foods.


yah hit the nail on the head...FU whoever said American Ignorance...it's just that Korean food sucks. It all tastes the same with same spice...maybe it's Korean ignorance that refuses to add variety. "It's our spice, let's put it in every dish!" Jesus Christ.
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is American food? Not trying to have a go, I've been there three times and other than hamburgers (german?) can't think of anything I had that was indigenous.
I lived in Switzerland for 6 months, the idea of that greasy starchy rubbish being better than korean food is just laughable. Laughable I tells ya!


So anyway I've eaten korean food in New York (not bad, pricey), London (below average, pricey, small portions) and Manchester (sub par, but not terrible, kim-bap style place, cheap). Whenever I've been with other people they've been pleasantly surprised at how frigging tasty everything was and wanted to go again. But the best aspects of say a kalbi meal- communally cooking it at your table, endless tasty free side-dishes, the delicious soup that comes with the rice- I've never had any of these things outside of the RoK.
Plus the price(!) Korean food may be many things but it's not got a stylish image that can justify a designer price tag.
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Haggard



Joined: 28 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The answer isn't too complicated. Korean restaurant owners jack up their prices way out of range because they know that a flood of Korean businessmen, students, tourists, etc. will pay through the roof for subpar food. They've seen the busloads with thick wallets frothing at the mouth for some chiggye and adjusted their prices accordingly.

S&D. High demand from homesick, traveler's-checks-carrying suckers and small supply from savvy leeches who know how to take advantage of their desperate brothers and sisters.

Same reason that Korean boarding houses abroad can charge outrageous prices: Fear of whitey and his evil cultural influences combined with the nice, soothing, expensive sound of Korean all around equals a nice uri nara feeling outside of uri nara.
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See also Outback steak house/ TGI Fridays etc. ?
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Haggard



Joined: 28 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re: Outback/TGIF

Outback isn't charging 300-400% higher prices mate. Prices for those chains in Korea are within 15-20% of what you'd pay for similar stuff in the states, and that 15-20% is equalled out when you add in the tip you dish out back home. The gap is minimal.

I don't know any whiteys so desperate for western food that they'd pay 35,000 won for a cheeseburger at TGIF in Seoul.

I do however, know plenty a Korean who'd pony up $15 for a bowl of bibimbap or $18 for a bottle of soju in Chicago.

They're the same ones whose suitcases wreak of kimchi.


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tokki



Joined: 26 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylde wrote:
it seems to be the food i'd throw in the trash at home that's use to cook with here... I could have sold the rubbish in my restaurant to a korean restaurant and had no wastage at all. it's for damn sure that the food they use is certainly rubbish and only what starving people would eat where i'm from.

i think it is mostly vomit and i could never honestly say it is 'good'.

enjoy it all you like but i am able to have my opinion thanks..


Well gee fella, ye must be from Arkansas or Texas....I bet you have a gun too. The fact is, if I may, without getting banned from this board for personal attacks, you are pretty much on the intellectual level of Geroge Dubya. Wanna know about steak? You seem to love it. I hope you read about how it is prepared.Do you know that when the meat is processed, there is a lot of spillage.. By spillage I mean that the meat that goes to make burgers and steaks runs under the part of the line where the insides (guts, stomach contents, bile, piss and crap) are taken out. That stuff spills out onto the meat that YOU will then consume and pay 20 bucks for. Ah yeah, clean American food. Same for burgers, which before the 50s were considered the most disgusting food around due to the fact that the meat was contaminated with anything from rats to fesces. That hasnt changed at all by the way. This sounds real appetizing to me. I hope you love it enough to overlook what I just told ya. As for Korean food, it is infinetely more healthy and clean than the crap you seem to love so much.


Did ya ever read about the way chickens are prepared for your dinner plate? Well, you see, they ......
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dogbert



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tokki wrote:
wylde wrote:
it seems to be the food i'd throw in the trash at home that's use to cook with here... I could have sold the rubbish in my restaurant to a korean restaurant and had no wastage at all. it's for damn sure that the food they use is certainly rubbish and only what starving people would eat where i'm from.

i think it is mostly vomit and i could never honestly say it is 'good'.

enjoy it all you like but i am able to have my opinion thanks..


Well gee fella, ye must be from Arkansas or Texas....


Like you personally know anyone from either place or could comprehend anything beyond a simple stereotype. Rolling Eyes


tokki wrote:
I bet you have a gun too.


Perhaps had the Poles had guns in '39...but I digress.


tokki wrote:
know that when the meat is processed, there is a lot of spillage.. By spillage I mean that the meat that goes to make burgers and steaks runs under the part of the line where the insides (guts, stomach contents, bile, piss and crap) are taken out. That stuff spills out onto the meat that YOU will then consume and pay 20 bucks for. Ah yeah, clean American food. Same for burgers, which before the 50s were considered the most disgusting food around due to the fact that the meat was contaminated with anything from rats to fesces. That hasnt changed at all by the way. This sounds real appetizing to me. I hope you love it enough to overlook what I just told ya. As for Korean food, it is infinetely more healthy and clean than the crap you seem to love so much.


I love Korean food and was eating it when you were still in elementary school, but what makes you think that the beef, pork, and chicken used in Korean restaurants was slaughtered in any more hygienic fashion? Certainly, meat used in Korean restaurants in North America comes from the same slaughterhouses you rightly criticize.

Does the fish eaten in Korean restaurants have lower levels of mercury and other poisons? Is the shellfish cleaner?

Are Korean vegetables not doused in pesiticidal sprays?


tokki wrote:
Did ya ever read about the way chickens are prepared for your dinner plate? Well, you see, they ......


And the chickens used in dalkkalbi are healthier for you because?
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