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Fraser



Joined: 09 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:03 am    Post subject: Dependent spouse preferably looking for non-teaching work Reply with quote

Hi there, after scouring blogs about Korea as well as this site I still have a few questions for experienced ex-pats. Hopefully you can help.

Situation: My wife just accepted a one-year contract working at an international school starting this August. She gets paid well and has great benefits, including free rent and utilities, etc. We see it as a way to knock off some student loans and travel Asia afterwards while we're relatively young.

I am 28, Canadian, have a B.A. in international relations and a journalism diploma. I have several years of experience working as a city reporter however I just got laid off just before the new year,

Here are a few things I need to know:

- With a background in journalism and public relations what are my job prospects in Korea? I have not looked too intensively but can't seem to find any online job sites for non-ESL/teaching jobs with a simple google search. Any good non-teaching job sites to recommend?

How effective would it be for me to enter Korea on my F-3 visa and "pound the pavement" looking for a job?

- If all else fails and I can't find work in my field I'm prepared to teach ESL (I have worked with kids at an after-school program in my early twenties so I'm not entirely "green" to dealing with them (although I'm sure it's very very different)). It's not ideal for me but I gotta do what I gotta do. But it remains unclear to me whether I can be issued an E-2 visa at the Korean consulate here in Canada prior to taking on a job. Can I get an E-2 visa without signing a contract with an employer?

I'd prefer to find a job in Korea after arriving and if I did teaching work I'd prefer to work with adults. Is that possible or do I need a specific visa (F-2 or F-5 or something from what I've read?)?

Also, it seems like Korea offers different visas for different kinds of work. Can one hold multiple work visas? For instance could I work part-time at a corporation working in communications, or editing etc. AND teach English on the side?

Sorry, I'm sure the Korean consulate could answer these questions however I've yet to contact them and a bit anxious. In the meantime some insight would be much appreciated.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Straight up: you cannot get an E-2 visa without a contract signed by both you and a Korean employer. Also, you cannot hold more than one category of visa.
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Fraser



Joined: 09 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right, makes sense.

So one profession or the other?

Can you get an E-2 with a part-time employer?

If not that's just really crummy for me because I'm not interested in locking into a contract with anyone. I also don't need an apartment, airfare, benefits etc. Ideally, if I taught English, I'd like to work on a per hour basis. And I'd ideally do freelance work as well.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fraser wrote:
Right, makes sense.

So one profession or the other?

Can you get an E-2 with a part-time employer?

If not that's just really crummy for me because I'm not interested in locking into a contract with anyone. I also don't need an apartment, airfare, benefits etc. Ideally, if I taught English, I'd like to work on a per hour basis. And I'd ideally do freelance work as well.


Freelance is illegal for a foreigner who is not married to a Korean (F2) or has managed to obtain a permanent residence visa (f5).

Can you get part-time work (with an E2) and work hourly without benefits?
Yes, CDI comes quickly to mind.

that said (cause there are lots of problems with CDI and many threads already discussing them) you can almost always find a hagwan willing to let you work part-time (especially adult hagwans) especially if you don't require/want any benefits and only need an E2 sponsorship.

IF you think that working on an E2 is a possibility then get yourself a CBC and a couple copies of your degree certified at the K-consulate in Canada BEFORE you come over (pain in the butt and expensive to do from here) or you won't be able to change your status to E2.

The chances of finding work in your field is extremely small unless you also speak Korean. There are a couple of reasons for it:
1) the language issue goes without saying.
2) K-employers are required to fill positions with Korean citizens before they are legally allowed to be allowed to hire foreign staff to fill a position.
3) E7 (expert / skilled) visas usually require you to have a masters degree and 2 years of experience or a Bachelors degree and 5 years of experience to qualify. (there are exceptions but they are few and far between).

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Fraser



Joined: 09 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info ttompatz.

So I can enter on an F-3 visa, look for a job, and switch to an E-2 visa? Would I need to make a 'visa run?' If so, would I need to return to Canada for another interview or what?

I've read elsewhere about people on F-3's finding work and switching to an F-5 (not sure how long they had lived in Korea however).

Basically, I just want to know I can find a teaching job after I arrive in Korea with an F-3. Anyone else have any experience/knowledge with my situation?
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a teaching job on an E-2 visa you will absolutely have to return to your home country if you have never been in Korea on an E-2 visa before. You will have to get the required documents and have them apostilled. Then you will have to sit an interview at a Korean consulate in your home country, unless you get some kind of exception to policy from Immigration and an agreement from the consulate in the other country where you wish to sit the interview.

CDI is facing a class-action lawsuit from a number of former employees (apparently both Korean and foreign former employees) that hagweon chain's franchises had listed as independent contractors. If you go that route, you'll merely be helping to perpetuate abusive contracts in this industry.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
For a teaching job on an E-2 visa you will absolutely have to return to your home country if you have never been in Korea on an E-2 visa before. You will have to get the required documents and have them apostilled. Then you will have to sit an interview at a Korean consulate in your home country, unless you get some kind of exception to policy from Immigration and an agreement from the consulate in the other country where you wish to sit the interview.

CDI is facing a class-action lawsuit from a number of former employees (apparently both Korean and foreign former employees) that hagweon chain's franchises had listed as independent contractors. If you go that route, you'll merely be helping to perpetuate abusive contracts in this industry.


The return home for a consular interview is NOT usually required if you hold LEGAL residence in a country other than your home country.

IF he is on an F3 he may have to do a visa run or, depending on the immigration officer doing the paperwork, may be able to change his status "in country" without the visa run and can probably avoid the consular interview.

YA, I mentioned that CDI has issues but there are lots of threads about CDI so I didn't want to turn this into one and my mention of it wasn't a recommendation or endorsement for CDI; it was mentioned merely an example of what to expect).

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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
The return home for a consular interview is NOT usually required if you hold LEGAL residence in a country other than your home country.

IF he is on an F3 he may have to do a visa run or, depending on the immigration officer doing the paperwork, may be able to change his status "in country" without the visa run and can probably avoid the consular interview.


That'd be great for him if the immigration folks consider any kind of F-series visa here to be "legal residence in Korea." I somewhat doubt that an accompanying spouse visa for the spouse of another foreigner here on an E-series visa would fall into that category.

Hope it all turns out well for the OP!
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crystal



Joined: 04 May 2006

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My co-worker is in Korea on an F3 visa. Her husband is here on an E2. She didn't work when she first got here, but looked for a job later. You can get the F3 amended, in country - no visa run, to include special activities. She has a stamp on the back of hers that says E2 and the name of the school, but her visa is still an F3. If you wish to teach you will still need to provide your documents and have a school to sponsor your "special activities". She got the amendment in June (I think) of last year and did not need to do an interview at home.
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siwawalter



Joined: 16 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: Dependent spouse preferably looking for non-teaching wor Reply with quote

Check the E2 website.

Fraser wrote:
Hi there, after scouring blogs about Korea as well as this site I still have a few questions for experienced ex-pats. Hopefully you can help.

Situation: My wife just accepted a one-year contract working at an international school starting this August. She gets paid well and has great benefits, including free rent and utilities, etc. We see it as a way to knock off some student loans and travel Asia afterwards while we're relatively young.

I am 28, Canadian, have a B.A. in international relations and a journalism diploma. I have several years of experience working as a city reporter however I just got laid off just before the new year,

Here are a few things I need to know:

- With a background in journalism and public relations what are my job prospects in Korea? I have not looked too intensively but can't seem to find any online job sites for non-ESL/teaching jobs with a simple google search. Any good non-teaching job sites to recommend?

How effective would it be for me to enter Korea on my F-3 visa and "pound the pavement" looking for a job?

- If all else fails and I can't find work in my field I'm prepared to teach ESL (I have worked with kids at an after-school program in my early twenties so I'm not entirely "green" to dealing with them (although I'm sure it's very very different)). It's not ideal for me but I gotta do what I gotta do. But it remains unclear to me whether I can be issued an E-2 visa at the Korean consulate here in Canada prior to taking on a job. Can I get an E-2 visa without signing a contract with an employer?

I'd prefer to find a job in Korea after arriving and if I did teaching work I'd prefer to work with adults. Is that possible or do I need a specific visa (F-2 or F-5 or something from what I've read?)?

Also, it seems like Korea offers different visas for different kinds of work. Can one hold multiple work visas? For instance could I work part-time at a corporation working in communications, or editing etc. AND teach English on the side?

Sorry, I'm sure the Korean consulate could answer these questions however I've yet to contact them and a bit anxious. In the meantime some insight would be much appreciated.
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Fraser



Joined: 09 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well here's hoping to not having to fly back to Canada.

Crystal, can you ask your coworker to email me? You'll have to PM me to get my email. Or can you tell me if that coworker had an E2 previously?

Would part-time employers sponsor an E2 visa?

Korean visas sound like a bureaucratic nightmare.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fraser wrote:
Korean visas sound like a bureaucratic nightmare.


They are a whole lot easier than the bureaucratic nightmare that the Canadian visa system is.

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crystal



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is her first job in Korea, she didn't hold an E-2 previously.

She didn't need to have an interview at home, just provide the same documents as the rest of us - CBC and degree with the necessary stamps!

No visa run either - I believe that's why the school got her the "special activities" amendment, so they wouldn't have to pay for any kind of visa run.

Also worth noting - if you do this, because you are still on an F-3, your visa will still be tied to that of your wife, so when her contract finishes and if she stops working your "special activities" permission will no longer be valid.
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minos



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Location: kOREA

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen some full-time editing jobs advertised....

I've met a few foreign journalist who are paid a decent salary....one has a Pulitzer and the other is a girl who started as a teacher here.
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