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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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 Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:57 am Post subject: |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaTtj9Mc000
The intensity of this guy is off the charts. He's the one who said Ron Paul is a "viscous anti-semite". He goes all around the US speaking to Jewish groups at colleges. Listen to the way he describes the power of the Arab lobby in the US. He's probably crazy.
I'm repeating myself, I know. The West needs to stay out of this property dispute. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaTtj9Mc000
The intensity of this guy is off the charts. He's the one who said Ron Paul is a "viscous anti-semite". He goes all around the US speaking to Jewish groups at colleges. Listen to the way he describes the power of the Arab lobby in the US. He's probably crazy.
I'm repeating myself, I know. The West needs to stay out of this property dispute. |
There is an Arab lobby in the US?  If was in charge of hiring at a lobbying firm, I know who I would NOT hire: anyone lobbying on behalf of any Arab interests (other than maybe Saudi) since they obviously stink. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:00 am Post subject: |
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From the other thread:
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| You are narrowly defining who qualifies as being a neo-con. At this rate Bush and Cheney don't even make the cut. |
The word "neoconservative" is often used to mean something like "Reaganite/Thatcherite conservative". But I don't think that's the technical definition that would be used in, for example, a PoliSci textbook(not that I am overly familiar with PoliSci textbooks).
The wikipedia article I think is basically accurate in how the term is understood as a technical descriptor. There's a lot of overlap between neo-conservativism and mainstream conservativism, but not everyone whose part of the latter would be part of the former. |
In a very real way, there is no such thing as a neo-con. It is a euphemism for a imperialist, Israel-first disposition that is not rooted in any discernible ideology aside from what's good for Plucky Little Israel.
A conservative is opposed to radical change. The neo-cons are agents of radical change. There is no overlap, though the rhetoric of the neo-cons appeals to people who tend to love god, country and the military.
The neo-cons support mass immigration, gay marriage, the diversity industry/civil rights industry etc. They use nationalist imagery to move the people into war for the nationalist ambitions of a foreign state. In practice, it is little more than a universalist rhetorical cover (freedom, democracy) for ethnocentric particularist goals.
Then we have the 50 million or so Christian Zionists, who support the goals of the neo-cons w/r/t Israel, but only then because JC is going to come home and convert or kill the infidels.
It's a clusterf&ck and I don't like it.
I have coffee with some hard core right wing Christian Zionists from time to time. These are old school military first types. Over the past 18 months or so they've begun turning. It's happening, slowly.
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Here's an example of the old right and neo-right in action:
http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/district-of-corruption/david-frum-s-satanic-girliemen/
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/10/08/david-frum-and-his-pro-pedophile-protege/
David Frum calls himself a conservative. I do hope you all are starting to understand what is going on here. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Christian Zionism is disgraceful. |
Ah..the last wild spasms of an illogical hate-monger.
Such desperate and meaningless lashing out shows you are... in loserville.
So does posting multiple fanatical islamist-terrorist spam in quick succession while being wisely ignored by the general public. |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Israel will already be unbearably belligerent. |
I doubt they will follow your example and napalm 60 innocent countries to steal their oil.
Or if you're looking for belligerent...theres always your hero ahmadinnerjacket and his threats to wipe other countries off the map.
Come to think of it, the worse Israel has ever done is to ..*gasp*.. defend itself when attacked. |
Mises's country, Canada, is an exporter of oil and doesn't need to steal it. As America's largest trading partner, Canada sells us oil and a multitude of other goods we need. The Canadians are a people of honor and earn the money that flows out of the USA into their country. They don't whine like the Israelis and say we should give them free money.
As for napalm, it wasn't the Canadians that napalmed the US soldiers of the USS Liberty in international waters. Even after murdering American troops, Israelis still feel entitled to free American money. Why can't Israelis be more like the Canadians? And to be fair, why can't Americans be more like Canadians?!
Why are you appalled at Americans killing innocent people for oil? It is what Israel wanted us to do. In 2003, the executive director of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Howard Kohr, said, "Quietly lobbying Congress to approve the use of force in Iraq was one of AIPAC's successes over the past year." So please spare us the moral superiority act when the Israel lobby pushed the US Congress to invade Iraq and Israel-first Jewish Americans like Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, Elliot Abrams, Richard Perle, and others were among the key architects of the invasion of Iraq. Of course, none of these men had the balls to go fight and I'm not going to fight their war for them and I don't think Mises is either. |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior, have you watched Missing Links? If so, how do you respond to the information presented there? If not, watch it and respond. It's two hours, but at least watch the first one, or watch it in installments. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Space Bar wrote: |
| Junior, have you watched Missing Links? If so, how do you respond to the information presented there? If not, watch it and respond. It's two hours, but at least watch the first one, or watch it in installments. |
Good luck SB. Religion is strong. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| Such desperate and meaningless lashing out shows you are... in loserville. |
He's right, Mises - Miami can't match up against the Celtics. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| Junior wrote: |
| Such desperate and meaningless lashing out shows you are... in loserville. |
He's right, Mises - Miami can't match up against the Celtics. |
True, whodathunk that putting 3 egos on the same team wouldn't work? Loserville is 80 degrees, dry and cloudless today and has been similar for about 3 months, which helps us deal with the losses. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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^If I wasn't so busy scratching my ass I'd jet right down there to loserville to have an umbrella drink and watch the T&A on the beach.
It's tough being a level-headed and responsible (married) person.
But hey, Boston was about 70 degrees today and the college girls are starting to shed their clothes. Unfortunately it's supposed to drop back down into the 50's for awhile so I guess I'll have to wait a little longer to break out the shoe mirrors. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| Mises/Antiwar.com wrote: |
| Tensions in the West Bank are on the rise after the Netanyahu government announced it is meeting an attack on a family of settlers in Itamar with a new round of retaliatory settlement expansions further into occupied territory. |
The West bank was part of Judaea and israel long before the word palestine was ever applied to the land. Arabs have no rights to that area. Their claim is based on an historical deception, the idea that ancient Philistines ("Palestinians") were arabs. Not so: the philistines were Mycenean Greeks (Indo-Europeans) who temporarily occupied part of Israel until being defated by ancient Hebrews.The Israelis are simply living in their rightful territory... that was won in modern times in a defensive war.
In any case, if you are so concerned for ethnicities to remain in their established areas, why don't you complain at all the free arab settlement in west Jerusalem that the Israeli govt allows?
The main obstacle to peace in the middle east is not Israelis living in the west bank.It is the unwavering hostility of muslims to any other belief system.
Also you fail to mention that initially the arabs stabbed to death two defenceless babies in Itamar settlement- one 1 month old and one 3-month old. You seem to be supportive of this action?
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| The bigger question is what will Israel do when Jews have to fight their own wars with their own sons and their own money? |
Far as I know they always have. I don't remember any US marines helping out in their most recent military confrontation with lebanon. As for the foreign aid given, most of it is spent in the US, helping keep americans in jobs at places like Lockheed. Not to mention Israel buys up vast amounts of dollars to prop up the foundering american economy.
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| Israelis need to learn to be self-sufficient and so do Americans for that matter. |
Israel has a strong economy. Americas on the other hand is foundering.
| Mises wrote: |
| The West needs to stay out of this property dispute. |
Glad to hear it. So then lets have no more Obama inititives ordering israelis to stop building on their own land.
| Reggie wrote: |
| Mises's country, Canada, is an exporter of oil and doesn't need to steal it. |
Great. The sooner we stop buying arab oil, the sooner we can free up our media from rich arab control and stop reading all their propoganda. Muslims own AOL time warner and CNN. Thats why you have been so easily brainwashed.
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| have you watched Missing Links? If so, how do you respond to the information presented there? |
I tend to recoil from flourescent pink conspiracy websites.
In any case Mises and the other posters of hate-mail on here never actually respond to the points I raise, nor do they even acknowledge the huge flaws in their arguments. So I don't see why I should waste 5 minutes dipping into their racism-inspired BS.
If you honestly care about the lives of Palestinians, why not start objecting to Hamas' Reign of Terror?
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/stephaniegutmann/100043249/who-cares-about-hamass-reign-of-terror/ |
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Menino80
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
Location: Hodor?
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 7:58 am Post subject: |
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Another guy in love with a Bible verse.
When are the Etruscans going to get Rome back?
When is Turkey going to annex Tajikstan?
When will Mongolia get Moscow back?
When will Germany get the Volga?
When will the Native Americans get the US back?
When will Iran get Turkey?
All of these were historical settlements, were they not?
No Arabs have ever been killed by Israeli strikes? Why was an Arab put in jail for consensual sex with an Israeli woman? Why did the Israelis kill refugees in Lebanon?
There are a few obvious neo-cons out there.
Podhoeretz, Lawrence Kaplan, Peretz, Wolfowitz, Feith, Kristol, Barman,Kagan, Bolton |
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Space Bar
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| SpaceBar wrote: |
| have you watched Missing Links? If so, how do you respond to the information presented there? |
I tend to recoil from flourescent pink conspiracy websites. |
Translation: No, I can't refute what is presented there.
So the Israelis attacking the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967 and killing 34 US servicemen and all the investigations of the event are a conspiracy theory? that is just the convenient epithet to hurl when one does nto want to think about what actually happened.
Sinking Liberty
Who will write the final chapter on Israel�s 1967 confrontation with the U.S. Navy?
By Philip Giraldi, March, 15, 2011
The attack on the USS Liberty by Israeli warplanes and torpedo boats on June 8, 1967 has almost faded from memory, but new evidence suggests that the White House might actually have had prior knowledge that the ship would be struck by Israel�s armed forces. In the worst attack ever carried out on a U.S. Naval vessel in peacetime, 34 American sailors and civilian personnel were killed and 171 more wounded in the two hour assault, which was clearly intended to sink the intelligence-gathering vessel operating in international waters collecting information on the ongoing Six-Day War between Israel and its Arab neighbors.
The Israelis and their supporters in the United States have always claimed the attack was a tragic mistake while many of the surviving Liberty crew believe that it was anything but: They assert that the vessel was flying an oversized American flag and was clearly identifiable as a U.S. Navy vessel. The ship�s commanding officer, Captain William McGonagle, was awarded a Congressional Medal of Honor for his role in keeping the ship afloat, though President Lyndon Baines Johnson broke with tradition by refusing to hold the medal ceremony in the White House, or to award it personally, delegating that task to the Secretary of the Navy in an unpublicized presentation at the Washington Navy Yard.
The Liberty crew was sworn to secrecy over the incident and a hastily-convened court of inquiry headed by Admiral John McCain acted under orders from Washington to declare the attack a case of mistaken identity. The inquiry�s senior legal counsel Captain Ward Boston, who subsequently declared the attack to be a �deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew,� also described how �President Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered him to conclude that the attack was a case of �mistaken identity� despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.� The court�s findings were rewritten and sections relating to possible war crimes, such as the machine-gunning of life rafts, were excised. Following in his father�s footsteps, Senator John McCain of Arizona has used his position on the Senate Armed Services Committee to effectively block any reconvening of a board of inquiry to reexamine the evidence. Most of the documents relating to the Liberty incident have never been released to the public.
more at link |
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Menino80
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
Location: Hodor?
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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I tend to recoil from flourescent pink conspiracy websites.
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OK then:
http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20040217-9999-1n17liberty.html
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Last October, Boston broke decades of silence and declared that the Navy admiral who investigated the incident had been ordered by President Lyndon Johnson and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara to conclude it was a case of mistaken identity, despite evidence to the contrary.
As the chief counsel for the Navy's court of inquiry, Boston had an insider's view.
"I didn't speak up earlier because I was told not to," Boston said in an interview. |
The San Diego Union Tribune has long been regarded as a fringe new organziation right?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/eedition/chi-liberty_tuesoct02,0,43090.story?page=7
The Chicago Trib too I'm sure:
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An Israeli military court of inquiry later acknowledged that their naval headquarters knew at least three hours before the attack that the odd-looking ship 13 miles off the Sinai Peninsula, sprouting more than 40 antennas capable of receiving every kind of radio transmission, was "an electromagnetic audio-surveillance ship of the U.S. Navy," a floating electronic vacuum cleaner....
...Except for McNamara, most senior administration officials from Secretary of State Dean Rusk on down privately agreed with Johnson's intelligence adviser, Clark Clifford, who was quoted in minutes of a National Security Council staff meeting as saying it was "inconceivable" that the attack had been a case of mistaken identity.
The attack "couldn't be anything else but deliberate," the NSA's director, Lt. Gen. Marshall Carter, later told Congress |
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