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asylum seeker



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This whole thing they do of asking students whether the NET teacher's class is fun or not is so self-serving.

f they're out to get you, they will always be able to find some kids who won't be satisfied unless you're letting them watch movies and play games all class every class and use that to bash you over the head with, no matter how interesting you're trying to make classes.

It's also hypocritical when most of their own classes are most likely boring rote memory stuff. Most adult English students I've had hated the way they learnt English at school.
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Squire



Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's so difficult to keep the kids interested when you teach straight from (and only from) the book. A lot if us are in that situation. The worst thing is some of the kids genuinely seem enthusiastic about learning English, but even for them the constant wooden dialogues and 'fill in the blank' wears them down
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ESL Milk "Everyday



Joined: 12 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fishead soup wrote:
Better yet go into youtube and punch in" What happens next?"


I did that and I kept getting some emo band.
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

asylum seeker wrote:
This whole thing they do of asking students whether the NET teacher's class is fun or not is so self-serving.

f they're out to get you, they will always be able to find some kids who won't be satisfied unless you're letting them watch movies and play games all class every class and use that to bash you over the head with, no matter how interesting you're trying to make classes.

It's also hypocritical when most of their own classes are most likely boring rote memory stuff. Most adult English students I've had hated the way they learnt English at school.


I was in the exact same situtution. For two years in a row. The best way and only way to deal with this is SNIP.Smile Nod Ignore Proceed. A lot of these passive aggressive co-teachers are actually pushing edutainment to the point that it becomes a detriment to itself. If you play the odd game here and there or do the occaisional pop song karaoke thing with Karafuns you can get a lot of mileage out of it. You can also quicky burn through a lot of the best stuff of waygook/EFL really quickly and be screwed for the rest of the semester.

Lots of these co-teachers don't want us here. Many will intentionally feed you bad advice. Many are looking forward to the paid vacation in Canada/America/Australia they get when the government finally gets rid of us. So lets not fall for this crap anymore.
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jacksthirty



Joined: 30 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are ways around teaching the book. Can't you teach the dialogue, but do it from a different angle? Do you have to teach, say 2 pages a class?

I did this for a dialogue and it lasted all class. Not everyone did it, but it was a lot less tedious than just doing it word for word.

Give me your email and I'll email you the whole lesson plan. This is just a short sample.

A: Do you have any plans for school festival?
B: Sure. My class is preparing a B-boy party.

Change the text to a code
A-Z B-Y C-X D-W E-V etc

A: WL BLV IZEV ZMB KOZMH......
B: HFIV NB XOZHH..........

Half the class will complete A, the other will complete B.
In pairs they read their dialogue to each other to complete the dialogue. If they can't pronounce a word or spell it (most of them can't) then they can spell the words. When they have finished practice the dialogue.
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jacksthirty wrote:
There are ways around teaching the book. Can't you teach the dialogue, but do it from a different angle? Do you have to teach, say 2 pages a class?

I did this for a dialogue and it lasted all class. Not everyone did it, but it was a lot less tedious than just doing it word for word.

Give me your email and I'll email you the whole lesson plan. This is just a short sample.

A: Do you have any plans for school festival?
B: Sure. My class is preparing a B-boy party.

Change the text to a code
A-Z B-Y C-X D-W E-V etc

A: WL BLV IZEV ZMB KOZMH......
B: HFIV NB XOZHH..........

Half the class will complete A, the other will complete B.
In pairs they read their dialogue to each other to complete the dialogue. If they can't pronounce a word or spell it (most of them can't) then they can spell the words. When they have finished practice the dialogue.

How about just using a text message activity. There are tons of these on
EFL Classroom 2.0. Students read the dialogues as text messages from cell phones and dicipher them.
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jacksthirty



Joined: 30 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Text messages? Nice. I'll try that. Sounds like it will save me some hassle!
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The books are horrible. Even Korean teachers know it, but they have to "teach to the tests" which are usually written by the same level of fools as the authors of those books.
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ESL Milk "Everyday



Joined: 12 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The KTs are also busy with mounds of paperwork detailing every minute aspect of every student's life, so they don't really have time to deal with issues with textbooks and the like-- mostly because they know it's futile anyways.

I really wish that some of the KTs would learn how to say 'yeah, I know it sucks... but there's no way out'-- because that's how it is most of the time and for some reason a lot of them don't want to tell you this.

I really wouldn't push this... you've got to try to work with it... think of it as a personal challenge to be more creative with what you already have.
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methdxman



Joined: 14 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many of you guys are new to working and you want to improve things quickly and do things your way. This is usually a good instinct when you're higher up in the food change, but when you're on the bottom of the totem pole you have to step very carefully, especially in a country like Korea. You have to learn this fast to survive in the professional world.

Your job is not to be a rebel right now (even if you have the best interests of the kids in mind). You have to fall in line first, gain their trust, then you can slowly start introducing things.

A westerner's instinctual reaction when they hear something they don't like is to show it on their faces and speech. This is bad, bad, bad in Korea.

Fall in line first, appease your bosses, and you'll have more freedom later on.
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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

methdxman wrote:
Many of you guys are new to working and you want to improve things quickly and do things your way. This is usually a good instinct when you're higher up in the food change, but when you're on the bottom of the totem pole you have to step very carefully, especially in a country like Korea. You have to learn this fast to survive in the professional world.

Your job is not to be a rebel right now (even if you have the best interests of the kids in mind). You have to fall in line first, gain their trust, then you can slowly start introducing things.

A westerner's instinctual reaction when they hear something they don't like is to show it on their faces and speech. This is bad, bad, bad in Korea.

Fall in line first, appease your bosses, and you'll have more freedom later on.


This is the nice way of saying "Sell your soul for the job"
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

methdxman wrote:
Many of you guys are new to working and you want to improve things quickly and do things your way. This is usually a good instinct when you're higher up in the food change, but when you're on the bottom of the totem pole you have to step very carefully, especially in a country like Korea. You have to learn this fast to survive in the professional world.

Your job is not to be a rebel right now (even if you have the best interests of the kids in mind). You have to fall in line first, gain their trust, then you can slowly start introducing things.

A westerner's instinctual reaction when they hear something they don't like is to show it on their faces and speech. This is bad, bad, bad in Korea.

Fall in line first, appease your bosses, and you'll have more freedom later on.


For the most part the highers up don't really know what they want from us. They throw a textbook into your lap and say here you are and by the way try to make it fun. If you plan to do a good job you have to go against the grain. Because what most K Teachers are doing isn't working.
We are here because what they are doing isn't working. No one will tell you what needs to be done. How many of the Principal welcoming translated speeches have you heard how many of them resulted in good concrete teaching idea's.
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