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DJBishop
Joined: 13 Mar 2011
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 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:47 am Post subject: do employers avoid hiring married men? |
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| Do employers in South Korea tend to avoid ESL teachers who plan on bringing their spouses with them? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:35 am Post subject: Re: do employers avoid hiring married men? |
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| DJBishop wrote: |
| Do employers in South Korea tend to avoid ESL teachers who plan on bringing their spouses with them? |
Main PS programs (EPIK/GEPIK/etc.)= yes.
PS private / direct hires from abroad = yes.
PS private / direct hires = not really (you are here and so are they)
Hakwons = maybe.
... no if they are looking for a couple or 2 teachers.
...yes if you are abroad.
...no if you are in Korea.
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nw25th
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:40 am Post subject: |
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| Colleges and University, it's a plus! |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:11 am Post subject: |
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I have done better as a married man and a father. They think I love kids.
If I am asking for dependent visa paperwork and extra things for them to do, they most likely can't be bothered. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| BoholDiver wrote: |
I have done better as a married man and a father. They think I love kids.
If I am asking for dependent visa paperwork and extra things for them to do, they most likely can't be bothered. |
Then again your wife is Korean right? So she did not come over with you as a dependant. I think the OP is talkign about bringing his wife with him from his home country.
In that case, Tom's post is pretty accurate.
An employer will typically look at reduced complications when hiring from abroad. That can mean some schools will steer clear of married people who want to bring a dependant spouse along. |
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ZIFA
Joined: 23 Feb 2011
Location: Dici che il fiume..Trova la via al mare
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:21 am Post subject: |
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| BoholDiver wrote: |
| I have done better as a married man and a father. They think I love kids. |
The cardboard cut-out perceptions that drive korean recruiters are very often wrong.
Plenty of single guys are very good with and enjoy teaching children.
On the other hand plenty of married guys can't relate to kids much. |
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grant gerstners
Joined: 13 Jan 2010
Location: USA
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:35 am Post subject: |
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Here in the rural Jeolla town where I live there are two couples who work in various schools in the county: a middle-aged married couple and a young unmarried couple. They are all EPIK, but hired through the county education office (not through the schools where they teach).
The middle-aged married couple arrived with public school positions ready for both of them.
The unmarried couple arrived with a solid position in place only for the woman, but the man had the paperwork and background to eventually allow him to begin teaching in the local schools, as well, when the opportunity came up. I suspect they are saving up a bunch of money.
One advantage for the education office is that they only have to lease two apartments for four people (instead of signing four leases).
If it looks like the people hiring might get two teachers instead of just one, it can work in your favor. |
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ash.shea
Joined: 07 Mar 2011
Location: United States
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| My husband's coming with me to Korea on a dependent visa and I had no trouble finding a good job. My school doesn't seem to mind that my husband is coming with me and is still providing free housing. I do have a master's degree in a relevant field, though, so this could be part of the reason I didn't have trouble. |
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mike in brasil
Joined: 09 Jun 2003
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The problem I've seen is that some job candidates figure that since you are offering them a job, they jump right to part about accommodating their family with their desired size/quality of housing. Sometimes they can be quite demanding about it right from the get-go.
Not all candidates are pushy about it, but after seeing those that were, it makes a recruiter pass over cover letters that mention wives and kids.
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, and after seeing a family ( husband, wife) forced to live in an apartment that was only meant for a single person, I can see why some might be a bit pushy about the accomodations. |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| BoholDiver wrote: |
I have done better as a married man and a father. They think I love kids.
If I am asking for dependent visa paperwork and extra things for them to do, they most likely can't be bothered. |
Then again your wife is Korean right? So she did not come over with you as a dependant. I think the OP is talkign about bringing his wife with him from his home country.
In that case, Tom's post is pretty accurate.
An employer will typically look at reduced complications when hiring from abroad. That can mean some schools will steer clear of married people who want to bring a dependant spouse along. |
I doubt he would have mentioned the part about dependent visa paperwork if his wife was Korean.... Or maybe he has two wives  |
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DaHu
Joined: 09 Feb 2011
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I doubt he would have mentioned the part about dependent visa paperwork if his wife was Korean.... Or maybe he has two wives |
Just say "sorry honey, can't get you into Korea!"
You would think that places would think married guys are more stable then young possibly drunk guys, I dunno. I guess the housing savings makes them turn a blind eye to the pros of the situation. |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada
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No, I used the wrong verb tense. My wife is Korean so I don't need that stuff.
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| ThingsComeAround wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| BoholDiver wrote: |
I have done better as a married man and a father. They think I love kids.
If I am asking for dependent visa paperwork and extra things for them to do, they most likely can't be bothered. |
Then again your wife is Korean right? So she did not come over with you as a dependant. I think the OP is talkign about bringing his wife with him from his home country.
In that case, Tom's post is pretty accurate.
An employer will typically look at reduced complications when hiring from abroad. That can mean some schools will steer clear of married people who want to bring a dependant spouse along. |
I doubt he would have mentioned the part about dependent visa paperwork if his wife was Korean.... Or maybe he has two wives |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Home sweet home
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| If your wife can teach, it woudl help out with the applicaton process. |
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DJBishop
Joined: 13 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| This is somewhat discouraging, but I appreciate all of your comments for their honesty. |
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