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patongpanda



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone read Irvine Welsh's 'Filth'. It's a really horrible and disgusting book but it covers the police/mason thing quite realistically.
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Kepler



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freemasonry played a very important role in the founding period of America. You can still see Masonic symbols on American money.

"Something like 98% of the Founding Fathers of the United States were MASONS. Their main religious affiliation was UNITARIAN. The rest were either Catholic or Church of England......

"The Masonic tradition at that time was highly steeped in OCCULTISM. The Masons were all practicing CEREMONIAL MAGICIANS. George Washington, wearing a Masonic apron, actually performed a Masonic (occult) rite when the cornerstone of the capital was laid and he placed a box containing Masonic medallions in that cornerstone. The signing of the Declaration of Independence was based on astrological timing worked out by one of the Founding Fathers. July 4th, 1776 at 12:00 noon at Philadelphia (PA) was very significant. That very time is when John Hancock placed his signature on the Declaration. They wanted to make sure that all of the 'signs' were propitious for this infant country. Would Christians go to this trouble? Absolutely NOT! Consequently, the United States was founded by occultists based on occult principles....

"Another thing you need to consider is that the principles upon which The United States was founded upon were, by and large, NOT Christian principles. Freedom of religion is definitely not a Christian principle. Nor is the right to vote a Christian principle. Free education for everyone is also not a Christian ideal. Also excluded are freedom of speech, press, or assembly. But then, slavery was permitted by Christianity (see Eph. 6:5) and this verse was used by, what were, the Southern fundamentalists of the time. In essence, the rights of the individual were NOT Christian but were Masonic ideals."
http://www.nomorehoaxes.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25&Itemid=1
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Masons were all practicing CEREMONIAL MAGICIANS. George Washington, wearing a Masonic apron, actually performed a Masonic (occult) rite when the cornerstone of the capital was laid and he placed a box containing Masonic medallions in that cornerstone. The signing of the Declaration of Independence was based on astrological timing worked out by one of the Founding Fathers. July 4th, 1776 at 12:00 noon at Philadelphia (PA) was very significant. That very time is when John Hancock placed his signature on the Declaration. They wanted to make sure that all of the 'signs' were propitious for this infant country.


You wouldn't mind supplying some CREDIBLE sources for these claims, would you? (Not the other stuff, just the quoted part above.)
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Vicissitude



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:52 am    Post subject: Dr. Anthony Sutton Reply with quote

If you really want to read some great conspiracy theory based on quality original research, you've got to read at least one of the books written by Dr. Anthony Sutton. I recommend his book on the Order of Skull and Bones. I knew his inner connections when his life was in real danger from people in high places who wanted him dead. We all knew that his days were numbered as there were too many close calls and his whereabouts were being found. Anyway, his research is rock solid and scary. His books will change your life.

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Antony Cyril Sutton (February 14, 1925 - June 17, 2002) was a British-born economist, historian, and writer. He was a research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution from 1968 to 1973. He is a former economics professor at California State University Los Angeles. He was educated at the universities of London, Goettingen and California with a D.Sc. degree from University of Southampton, England.

Sutton published many books, including Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler, Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development (in three volumes), and The Best Enemy Money Can Buy and was (in Sutton's own words) "persecuted but never prosecuted" for his research and subsequent publication of his findings.

In 1968, Sutton wrote Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development, which was first published by the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. Sutton alleged that the Soviet Union's technological and manufacturing base -- which was then engaged in supplying the Viet Cong -- was built by United States corporations and largely funded by US taxpayers. Steel and iron plants, the GAZ automobile factory, and many other Soviet industrial enterprises were, according to Sutton, built with the help or technical assistance of the United States or U.S. corporations. He alleged further that the Soviet Union's acquisition of MIRV technology was made possible by receiving (from U.S. sources) machining equipment for the manufacture of precision ball bearings, necessary to mass-produce MIRV-enabled missiles.

In the early 1980s, using membership lists purportedly revealing the historical membership of Yale's Skull and Bones society, dating from 1832 -- which Sutton said he received from an anonymous source -- he speculated about political and economic relationships underlying significant historical events, from which he extrapolated the apparent purpose of these relationships. He published these conclusions as America's Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order of Skull and Bones -- which, according to Sutton, was his most important work.

In his book, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era (New York: Viking Press;1970), Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote:

"For impressive evidence of Western participation in the early phase of Soviet economic growth, see Antony C. Sutton's Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development: 1917-1930, which argues that 'Soviet economic development for 1917-1930 was essentially dependent on Western technological aid' (p.283), and that 'at least 95 per cent of the industrial structure received this assistance.' (p. 348)."
Professor Richard Pipes, of Harvard, said in his book, Survival Is Not Enough: Soviet Realities and America's Future (Simon & Schuster;1984):

"In his three-volume detailed account of Soviet Purchases of Western Equipment and Technology ..." Sutton comes to conclusions that are uncomfortable for many businessmen and economists. For this reason his work tends to be either dismissed out of hand as 'extreme' or, more often, simply ignored."

[edit] Bibliography
Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development: 1917-1930 (1968)
Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development: 1930-1945 (1971)
Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development: 1945-1965 (1973)
National Suicide: Military Aid to the Soviet Union (1973)
What Is Libertarianism? (1973)
Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution (1974, 1999) (Online version)
Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler (1976, 1999) (Online version)
Wall Street and FDR (1976, 1999) (Online version)
The War on Gold: How to Profit from the Gold Crisis (1977)
Energy: The Created Crisis (1979)
The Diamond Connection: A manual for investors (1979)
Trilaterals Over Washington - Volume I (1979; with Patrick M. Wood)
Trilaterals Over Washington - Volume II (1980; with Patrick M. Wood)
Gold vs Paper: A cartoon history of inflation (1981)
Investing in Platinum Metals (1982)
Technological Treason: A catalog of U.S. firms with Soviet contracts, 1917-1982 (1982)
America's Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order of Skull & Bones (1983, 1986, 2002) (Online version)
How the Order Creates War and Revolution (1985)
How the Order Controls Education (1985)
The Best Enemy Money Can Buy (1986) (Online version)
The Two Faces of George Bush (1988)
The Federal Reserve Conspiracy (1995)
Trilaterals Over America (1995) (Online version)
Cold Fusion: Secret Energy Revolution (1997)
Gold For Survival (1999)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Sutton
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you really want to read some great conspiracy theory based on quality original research, you've got to read at least one of the books written by Dr. Anthony Sutton. I recommend his book on the Order of Skull and Bones.


Are you saying that after a distinguished early career the man ran off the rails later in life?
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Vicissitude



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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If you really want to read some great conspiracy theory based on quality original research, you've got to read at least one of the books written by Dr. Anthony Sutton. I recommend his book on the Order of Skull and Bones.


Are you saying that after a distinguished early career the man ran off the rails later in life?

What do you mean by, "ran off the rails later in life?"

His whole career is distinguised as is evidence by his exhausting research, many books and publications. Many universities didn't want him to conduct this type of research because it was a serious threat to the US government and many financial institutions. He endlessly accused them of treason and based on what I've read I think he proves it without a doubt. He also links the Freemasons with treason.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for your answer.

ran off the rails later in life = He also links the Freemasons with treason[/quote]
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Vicissitude



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Thank you for your answer.

ran off the rails later in life = He also links the Freemasons with treason
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Not when he shows you the overwhelming proof. Go read his books.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Davinci's Dan Brown To "Unveil" Washington's Masonic Legacy
by Virginie Montet
Thu Nov 29, 1:25 AM ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) - A sequel to the blockbuster thriller "The Da Vinci Code" is set to lift the veil on mysterious Freemason symbols carved into the very fabric of the historic streets and buildings of the US capital.



Novelist Dan Brown has set the new adventures of his hero, scholar-adventurer Robert Langdon, right in the heart of Washington, which could reveal some astonishing facts for history buffs.

Brown "had a contact with us but then cut it short. We are all sitting around waiting for his book to come out but nobody knows what he's going to say," Akram Elias, grand master-elect of Washington's Grand Lodge, told AFP.

According to the pre-publicity, the book -- working title "The Solomon Key" -- will feature Langdon hero of the mass-selling "The Da Vinci Code" and who was played by Tom Hanks in the hit film version.

"For the first time, Langdon will find himself embroiled in a mystery on US soil. This new novel explores the hidden history of our nation's capital," Brown wrote in a posting on his official website.

Washington has strong historic roots in Freemasonry -- an old and widespread fraternity which traditionally practised secret rituals.

Despite its reputation for secrecy, the Freemason community is noticeably open in the United States: lodges are advertised in the phone book and their signs are prominently displayed.

The first US president after whom the city is named, George Washington, was a Mason, as were his fellow founding fathers James Madison and Benjamin Franklin, plus James Hoban, the architect of the White House.

The broad steps, stone sphinxes and colonnades of a Masonic temple dominate a corner of 16th Street near the city center -- one of a number of Masonic lodges in the capital -- and just a stone's throw from the White House.

Elias cites theories that the city's streets themselves are laid out in the shape of secret Masonic signs. "It may be ... a coincidence, but there are indications that are difficult to ignore," he said.

Establishing the nation's capital, George Washington is said to have demanded that it be laid out in a symbolic square.

"It's fascinating. If you take an aerial view of Washington, you cannot but see the perfect square and the compass which are the universal symbols of Freemasonry ... meaning rectitude and equality," he said.

"Was it on purpose? I don't know, but I think it's difficult to ignore those mysterious aspects," he added. "It adds another level of mystery to the city of Washington."

The shape of a square and compass is also formed by drawing a line on the map between two of the city's major landmarks, the Capitol and the Lincoln Memorial, and along the walls of the White House and the Jefferson Memorial.

At the center of these stands the George Washington monument, a vast brick obelisk whose dimensions themselves are symbolic: 555 feet high by 55 wide (170 meters by 17).

The number five is said to refer to the traditional five orders of architecture, which in turn relates to the Freemasons' regard for geometry as a symbol of order, and of "the great geometrician" -- the supreme being.

Inside the Capitol building, the heart of US lawmaking which sits at the dead center of the square city boundaries, lies a cornerstone laid by George Washington himself, dressed in his ceremonial apron, in a Masonic ritual in 1793.

"Here goes Washington heading a ceremony in order to lay the cornerstone of the Capitol, using corn, oil and wine to send a very powerful message to those who will be working in the parliament," Elias said.

"Their mission should be to work in achieving prosperity, peace and happiness for the American people."

Some play down the "perceived" prominence of Masons and their symbology, for fear of encouraging conspiracy theories which ... may be harmful to Freemasons.

"Freemasonry has a very important role in the history of the US and the early American republic," said Mark Tabbert, director of collections at the Washington Masonic memorial in nearby Alexandria, Virginia, and author of the book "American Freemasons."

"But that role is not based on any kind of political or religious construct."

Tabbert offers an alternative to claims of Masonic design in Washington's city plan.

"The design of the US capital is based more on neo-classical style, more related to the attempts to create a new republic based on an ancient Roman republican model than anything that related to freemasons," he said.

Codes and secret signs were Brown's stock-in-trade for the staggering success of "The Da Vinci Code" however.

"I'm nervous about it because I don't think he does very good research," Tabbert said of Brown and his new book. "But fiction writers are fiction writers." Idea

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071129/ts_alt_afp/entertainmentusfreemasonsbooks_071129055710
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Landros



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:18 am    Post subject: ^^ Reply with quote

The Lost Symbol is a 2009 novel by American writer Dan Brown.[2][3] It is a thriller set in Washington, D.C., after the events of The Da Vinci Code, and relies on Freemasonry for both its recurring theme and its major characters.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry
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Kohio



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^I love how people pull a thread up from the graves going back 4 years and comment like it was just created yesterday. Smile
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