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3% |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:56 am Post subject: If ESL teachers could vote |
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| I know most of us don't care about politics in Korea. For those who do pay some attention to the political scene, who would you cast your vote for? |
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On the other hand
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Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:23 am Post subject: |
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Given the hostility on this board against Korean nationalism, the overwhelming support for the Uri party seems a little odd. Then again, we're talking about four votes.
I'd probably go Uri, despite the fact that their leadership is dumb enough to think that in a Confucian society it's a good idea to trash talk the elderly. Did anyone else see that? What the hell was he THINKING? |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:29 am Post subject: |
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http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2004/04/07/200404070023.asp
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In response, the GNP has prepared a radio commercial which features Uri Party leader Chung Dong-young's controversial remarks on elderly voters.
The Uri Party's march toward becoming the largest parliamentary force recently hit a snag after Chung said older Koreans should stay at home on election day and let young voters determine the country's future.
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| Guess it just furthur illustrates the generation gap here. |
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964
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| Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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GNP mostly due to their more pro-foreigner outlook but they are all as bad as each other.
Ur i party is a mess at the moment and has no idea. It will win the election but i can't see Korea having a strong recovery any time soon. |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| The Uri Party is an understandable choice for the many left-wing posters on this forum. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| GNP mostly due to their more pro-foreigner outlook |
I guess it deoends what you mean by pro-foreigner. Uri panders to anti-Americanism, and tries to get the votes of people who dislike Bush and the GIs. But, they also support a liberal agenda which, if fully implemented, would make Korea more like a western nation.
The GNP, while ardently pro-American, never misses an opportunity to defend what it considers to be traditional Korean values, perceived as under assault from the MDP and now the Uri party. You saw this last year when the government floated the idea of abolishing the patriarchal hoju family system. In terms of which party is more hospitable to western ideas(as opposed to just American troops) I'd have to say Uri.
This isn't confined to Korea either. In many countries those parties most open to modern ideas are also the ones that are most nationalistic. PASOK in Greece and the PQ in Quebec(which Uri in many ways resembles) come to mind here. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| GNP mostly due to their more pro-foreigner outlook |
I guess it deoends what you mean by pro-foreigner. Uri panders to anti-Americanism, and tries to get the votes of people who dislike Bush and the GIs. But, they also support a liberal agenda which, if fully implemented, would make Korea more like a western nation.
The GNP, while ardently pro-American, never misses an opportunity to defend what it considers to be traditional Korean values, perceived as under assault from the MDP and now the Uri party. You saw this last year when the government floated the idea of abolishing the patriarchal hoju family system. In terms of which party is more hospitable to western ideas(as opposed to just American troops) I'd have to say Uri.
This isn't confined to Korea either. In many countries those parties most open to modern ideas are also the ones that are most nationalistic. PASOK in Greece and the PQ in Quebec(which Uri in many ways resembles) come to mind here. |
I think those older values can benefit foreigners too. The opening up of Korean society isn't necessarily conducive to a more "foreigner" tolerant society. Most of my positive experiences in Korea are a consequence of the treatment I received at the hands of older Koreans. In contrast members of the younger generation have caused me the most displeasure. When certain Uri party members talk about opening society's doors, I wouldn't be naive enough to assume that includes us. Indeed, if those doors were to open at the behest of the younger liberals, I wouldn't be surprised if those doors were left to slam in our faces. Their manifesto might be left leaning, but never ignore the fierce Korean nationalism that the Uri party feeds off. |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| The Uri Party is an understandable choice for the many left-wing posters on this forum. |
True. However, how much does the "left wing" in Korea have in common witth their Western counterparts?
The left wing nationalists who made lots of noise here in 2002 were openly xenophobic. This is a feature of the far right in the West and not the left. Take a look at Hanchongryon. How many left wing student groups in the West are opposed to interracial marriage? |
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Eazy_E
Joined: 30 Oct 2003
Location: British Columbia, Canada
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| Are there any threads on this board that give a somewhat objective account of the positions of the parties? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| How many left wing student groups in the West are opposed to interracial marriage? |
Do you have a source for this oft-cited "fact" that hanchongryun opposes inter-racial dating? I'm not doubting it, but I'd just like to see something in writing. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| Most of my positive experiences in Korea are a consequence of the treatment I received at the hands of older Koreans. In contrast members of the younger generation have caused me the most displeasure. |
I'd be willing to bet, though, that when older Koreans complain among themselves about the breakdown of morality among the younger generation, they attribute that breakdown to western influence. I doubt very much that their admiration for foreigners goes much beyond recognizing the American army as a cheap source of defense.
As for the supposed cosmopolitanism of left-wing groups in the west, I think we need to examine the situation in countries where post-imperial resentment is still strong. Obviously, the British Labour Party or the American Democratic Party are not going to be big bastions of ethnic resentment, because those countries are pretty much the top dogs of the world. But from what I've read about PASOK in Greece during the Papandreos years, the anti-Americanism pandered to was very much like what you see in Korea today. And I'm just guessing that among the rank and file of Sinn Fein, Catholic-Protestant dating is not exactly encouraged. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 1:18 am Post subject: |
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| Most of my positive experiences in Korea are a consequence of the treatment I received at the hands of older Koreans. In contrast members of the younger generation have caused me the most displeasure. |
I'd be willing to bet, though, that when older Koreans complain among themselves about the breakdown of morality among the younger generation, they attribute that breakdown to western influence. I doubt very much that their admiration for foreigners goes much beyond recognizing the American army as a cheap source of defense. |
More likely that they want foreign people to go back to their native countries with a good view of Korea. I have found that their only motive for kindness towards foreigners is hospitality. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| More likely that they want foreign people to go back to their native countries with a good view of Korea. |
Probably, but then I've found that young people generally want this as well. And wanting foreigners to have a good image of your country is not exactly the same thing as admiring foreigners or being open to foreign ideas. |
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