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Space Bar
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I am guessing that those who previously said there had been no violation of free speech when Amazon refused to sell the book would agree that there is now with the author's arrest. And look at the dubious methods they used to do it:
Did Florida Violate Its Statutes to Extradite Philip Greaves?
Posted Dec 21st, 2010 04:24 PM by Tom Hymes
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POLK COUNTY, Fla.�As reported by AVN yesterday, Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd somehow convinced Polk County judge J. Michael McCarthy that the state was within its rights to issue an arrest warrant and extradition request for Colorado resident Philip Greaves, who had gained national notoriety as the author of "The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: A Child-Lover's Code of Conduct," which Amazon had offered for sale.
...it looks as if Judge McCarthy used the wrong Florida statute in charging Greaves with a third-degree felony, which was required in order to have him extradited. An extradition is not possible for a misdemeanor charge, Walters said.
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The only section of the relevant statute that does provide for a felony charge for a first offense is the one Greaves was charged under, but the operative word in that section�unlike the other sections or subsections�is �depict,� which refers to a visual image only, and probably one that involves an actual human being only. Greaves' book reportedly contains no such images.
In other words, for Polk County to charge Greaves with a felony in order to attain an extradition order, the only Florida statute that would suffice was 847.011(1)(C). But the (1)(C) part only pertains to visual depictions, and not the written word. Greaves could have been charged under 847.011(1)(A), but then it would only have been a misdemeanor, and he would have had to travel to the state for him to be arrested and prosecuted.
This apparent manipulation by Florida law enforcement of its own statutes could undermine the case and lead to even bigger headaches for the County. |
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comm
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| It sounds like the prosecution is doomed on that one. Anyway, isn't it important for parents to know how dirtbags will try to manipulate their children? If I were a parent, I'd want to know exactly how to protect my child. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Space Bar wrote: |
| I am guessing that those who previously said there had been no violation of free speech when Amazon refused to sell the book would agree that there is now with the author's arrest. |
I said it wasn't a free speech violation, but I certainly don't agree with the author's arrest. Locking people up for writing books is ridiculous, regardless of the book's topic. |
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| By that criterion, ego-dystonic heterosexuality should also be included but isn't. Is that ridiculous? |
Has that actually been observed? If so, of course it should be included.
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| In any event, anyone who complained to his psychiatrist that he was uncomfortable with his sexuality is likely diagnosable with a paraphilia, Paraphilia NOS, Adjustment Disorder, or some other category, or on Axis V, and thus could still receive mental health services for it. |
If politically incorrect mental disorders cannot be specified in the DSM like all other disorders, then there's not really much point in having a DSM, is there?
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| Completely removing the term homosexuality from the DSM went a long way in eliminating stigma for millions of same-sex attracted people (even if Richard Green disagrees with the way it was removed). |
Political activism in science is never a good thing. Neutrality should always be the ideal. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Space Bar wrote: |
I am guessing that those who previously said there had been no violation of free speech when Amazon refused to sell the book would agree that there is now with the author's arrest. And look at the dubious methods they used to do it:
Did Florida Violate Its Statutes to Extradite Philip Greaves?
Posted Dec 21st, 2010 04:24 PM by Tom Hymes
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POLK COUNTY, Fla.�As reported by AVN yesterday, Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd somehow convinced Polk County judge J. Michael McCarthy that the state was within its rights to issue an arrest warrant and extradition request for Colorado resident Philip Greaves, who had gained national notoriety as the author of "The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: A Child-Lover's Code of Conduct," which Amazon had offered for sale.
...it looks as if Judge McCarthy used the wrong Florida statute in charging Greaves with a third-degree felony, which was required in order to have him extradited. An extradition is not possible for a misdemeanor charge, Walters said.
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The only section of the relevant statute that does provide for a felony charge for a first offense is the one Greaves was charged under, but the operative word in that section�unlike the other sections or subsections�is �depict,� which refers to a visual image only, and probably one that involves an actual human being only. Greaves' book reportedly contains no such images.
In other words, for Polk County to charge Greaves with a felony in order to attain an extradition order, the only Florida statute that would suffice was 847.011(1)(C). But the (1)(C) part only pertains to visual depictions, and not the written word. Greaves could have been charged under 847.011(1)(A), but then it would only have been a misdemeanor, and he would have had to travel to the state for him to be arrested and prosecuted.
This apparent manipulation by Florida law enforcement of its own statutes could undermine the case and lead to even bigger headaches for the County. |
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Actually I don't agree with the author's arrest. Had he put images in his book (and thus break the law )then I would. However apparently that is not the case. And this kind of legal 'foot-work' is questionable at best and a travesty of justice at worst. |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| It sounds like the prosecution is doomed on that one. Anyway, isn't it important for parents to know how dirtbags will try to manipulate their children? If I were a parent, I'd want to know exactly how to protect my child. |
The last two sentences are non-sequiturs.
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| By that criterion, ego-dystonic heterosexuality should also be included but isn't. Is that ridiculous? |
Has that actually been observed? If so, of course it should be included. |
There is an entire community of transgenders as well as asexuals who have become more active recently, some of whom complain about having had to conform to sex-stereotypic roles such as heterosexual marriage.
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| In any event, anyone who complained to his psychiatrist that he was uncomfortable with his sexuality is likely diagnosable with a paraphilia, Paraphilia NOS, Adjustment Disorder, or some other category, or on Axis V, and thus could still receive mental health services for it. |
If politically incorrect mental disorders cannot be specified in the DSM like all other disorders, then there's not really much point in having a DSM, is there? |
I'll buy that.
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| Completely removing the term homosexuality from the DSM went a long way in eliminating stigma for millions of same-sex attracted people (even if Richard Green disagrees with the way it was removed). |
Political activism in science is never a good thing. Neutrality should always be the ideal. |
Agreed. |
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Space Bar
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I am guessing that those who previously said there had been no violation of free speech when Amazon refused to sell the book would agree that there is now with the author's arrest. And look at the dubious methods they used to do it:
Did Florida Violate Its Statutes to Extradite Philip Greaves?
Posted Dec 21st, 2010 04:24 PM by Tom Hymes
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POLK COUNTY, Fla.�As reported by AVN yesterday, Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd somehow convinced Polk County judge J. Michael McCarthy that the state was within its rights to issue an arrest warrant and extradition request for Colorado resident Philip Greaves, who had gained national notoriety as the author of "The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: A Child-Lover's Code of Conduct," which Amazon had offered for sale.
...it looks as if Judge McCarthy used the wrong Florida statute in charging Greaves with a third-degree felony, which was required in order to have him extradited. An extradition is not possible for a misdemeanor charge, Walters said.
...
The only section of the relevant statute that does provide for a felony charge for a first offense is the one Greaves was charged under, but the operative word in that section�unlike the other sections or subsections�is �depict,� which refers to a visual image only, and probably one that involves an actual human being only. Greaves' book reportedly contains no such images.
In other words, for Polk County to charge Greaves with a felony in order to attain an extradition order, the only Florida statute that would suffice was 847.011(1)(C). But the (1)(C) part only pertains to visual depictions, and not the written word. Greaves could have been charged under 847.011(1)(A), but then it would only have been a misdemeanor, and he would have had to travel to the state for him to be arrested and prosecuted.
This apparent manipulation by Florida law enforcement of its own statutes could undermine the case and lead to even bigger headaches for the County. |
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Actually I don't agree with the author's arrest. Had he put images in his book (and thus break the law )then I would. However apparently that is not the case. And this kind of legal 'foot-work' is questionable at best and a travesty of justice at worst. |
Polk Sheriff Grady Judd makes his name on moral outrage
By Michael Kruse, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Sunday, February 6, 2011
A man in Colorado a couple of months ago published a book called The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure, and he didn't get arrested for it, and this made Grady Judd mad.
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After the news broke, Judd sat in the studio of a country radio station in Lakeland and told two nodding disc jockeys, "He had porn plastered � ugly, nasty porn � plastered all over his room.
"I mean," he added, leaning in toward the microphone, "he's a real weeeiiirdo."
The episode was no surprise to those who have watched the public ascent of this man's career. Judd, who turns 57 next month, envisions himself as not just a local enforcer of laws but a more universal arbiter of morals. He inserts himself into some of the most sensitive fissures in the country's culture wars, a "true believer," as his friends say, or a savvy opportunist, or both, and then goes on television to state his case. It has made him a face on a screen as much as a man in a uniform.
complete article at link |
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MattAwesome
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| Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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it shouldnt have ever been published.
free speech is overrated. |
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Space Bar
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:02 am Post subject: |
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| it shouldnt have ever been published. |
Why not?
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| free speech is overrated. |
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Space Bar
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Judd apparently never read the book. The author advises pedophiles to avoid sex with minors, counseling masturbation instead.
Author gets probation in Polk obscenity case
By JENNIFER LEIGH | News Channel 8
and JOSH POLTILOVE | The Tampa Tribune
Published: April 6, 2011
BARTOW - The author of a book about pedophilia pleaded no contest today to distributing obscene material.
Phillip Ray Greaves II was sentenced to time served � about 3 1/2 months � and two years of probation. He was adjudicated guilty, meaning he will lose his right to vote or carry a firearm.
"I just wanted to get out of here as quickly as possible," the Colorado man said after being released from the Polk County Jail.
He said he was going to celebrate his freedom with a pizza and a Dr. Pepper.
Greaves will serve his probation in Colorado and must continue mental health counseling there. He also must pay more than $2,100 in investigative costs, court fees and other fines, Polk County sheriff's spokeswoman Donna Wood said.
Polk detectives arrested Greaves at his Pueblo, Colo., home in December on a third-degree felony charge of distribution of obscene material depicting minors engaged in conduct harmful to minors.
Greaves' book, "The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: a Child-lover's Code of Conduct," triggered national outrage when it was offered for sale on Amazon.com. The self-published book offers advice to pedophiles on how to make sexual encounters with a child as safe as possible.
The online store eventually removed the book.
Polk Sheriff Grady Judd said Greaves violated Florida's obscenity laws when he sold undercover detectives a signed copy of the book for $50 and mailed it to them in Lakeland.
"He talked about grooming and preparing a child for sex," Judd said in December.
Greaves, who had no prior criminal record, had vowed to fight the charge.
Some in the legal community had decried his arrest as a waste of law enforcement resources and a violation of his First Amendment rights.
In a product description, Greaves framed the book as an attempt "to make pedophile situations safer for those juveniles that find themselves involved in them, by establishing certain rules for these adults to follow."
Outside the jail, Greaves said he is misunderstood and that his book teaches how to overcome pedophilia.
"I may write a similar book," he said. "But I'll make sure there's absolutely nothing in it that can be construed as obscene." |
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