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Widsy97
Joined: 16 Jun 2010
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:28 pm Post subject: Online Korean News. How accurate is it really?? |
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Hello,
I recently read a story about 'Rain', you know, the 'world star', being voted the most influential person on Time magazines '100 most influential people of 2011'.
I continued to read the story and turned out he beat, Obama, Oprah, etc. etc.
This was on a well known online Korean (English) newspaper.
I was skeptical. So, I researched it.
NOWHERE, on the Time website is this story carried.
Googling the story brings me to Korean websites (in Korean).
I emailed the writer of the story about the accuracy of the story.
The reply;
Hi there,
The story was first reported by Yonhap News, a Korean news agency. Other Korean newspapers also wrote the story based on this report by Yonhap. The report was in Korean and the stories covered in other Korean newspapers were also in Korean (obviously). Since the story is based on the poll results revealed by TIME magazine online, you may check out the facts yourself on the website although no story has yet been written by TIME. I think the story will be published soon in the magazine carrying the results.
Thank you for taking interest in our article and I hope you continue reading.
Best regards,
**********. (I blocked the name)
Now, the way I read that reply is; Time magazine haven't published the story yet... so, how do Korean news agencies have it??
Also, before people get on me about being a Korean hater.....
I have been here a long time, it has been great, but stressful and depressing at times. Korea is great. I don't hate it. But, alot of things I see annoy me recently.
I think I have been here too long! Roll on June!
Also, I know newspapers at home publish shite all the time! But at least you have a vast selection of news sources at home, so you dont have to put up with crap.
Here, as an English speaker, we rely on only 2-3 sources of Korean news. I mean, I read news from home all the time, online, from credible sources. But when I want to know what is going on in this country, I'm left with this shite.
Also, since I emailed them, I cannot find the story on their site. |
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Geumchondave
Joined: 28 Oct 2010
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| The rankings are up already http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2058044_2061021_2061023,00.html with rain clearly in top spot, i havent yet found an article analyzing/summarizing the results yet so that is probably what their reply meant. Its ridiculous that he should have won but it is true. As far as journalism bias goes here - yes it is flagrant and often very bigoted but ive yet to actually discover a factual error, normally its just a lot more sensationalist then we are used to - not actually wrong. |
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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008 Location: Marakesh
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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The fact that he won should be surprising to no one. 20 bucks says that there was a big online push in Korea to get him voted number one, as this is a READER poll.
As far as your original question, OP, I've found that no matter where you are, there are good and bad sources of news and that frequently they change. I've always tried to read two or three different sources on a single story before I feel like I have a real understanding of what's going on.
In Korea, my main go-to papers are the Joongang Ilbo and the Hankyoreh. I'll read the Times, Herald, Chosun-ilbo (talk about a right wing mouth piece, and I AM a right winger, so that should tell you something). There are plenty of sources of English news in Korea, it's just that they aren't all as well known as the Times (ugh) or Herald (meh). |
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Smee

Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Location: Jeollanam-do
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:44 am Post subject: |
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Time magazine hasn't published it yet because they're waiting for the next issue. However, in the most recent issue there's a blurb in one of the first few pages about the online voting, with a picture of Rain as the winner.
Plenty of reason to be skeptical of what you read---both in Korea and outside of it---and plenty of reason to be skeptical of what you read from western sources about Korea, because they seem to value "news of the weird" over anything original or of substance. But, in this case, Rain did win. He's won numerous times, even though he hasn't had a career in Korea in several years and his several attempts at becoming an American star have failed, grandly. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:55 am Post subject: |
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| Tim But, in this case, Rain did win. He's won numerous times, even though he hasn't had a career in Korea in several years and his several attempts at becoming an American star have failed, grandly. |
be fair.
Rain remains a huge star in Korea, even if it's based on past laurels and achievements. 2008 isn't that long ago, is it? He also remains a huge name and star in East and SouthEast Asia.
Perhaps he had visions or hopes for becoming a bigger success in the US based on his history in Korea and Asia, but he's still done at least somewhat well for himself. After his movie roles, his MTV award for biggest movie badass and the publicity due to the Colbert spoofs, as well as making People's Most Beautiful People list, he easily outdistances any other Korean artist in the name he's made for himself stateside and the successes he's had. Other Korean celebs would kill for his 'grand failures'. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| rainism wrote: |
| Smee wrote: |
| Tim But, in this case, Rain did win. He's won numerous times, even though he hasn't had a career in Korea in several years and his several attempts at becoming an American star have failed, grandly. |
be fair.
Rain remains a huge star in Korea, even if it's based on past laurels and achievements. 2008 isn't that long ago, is it? He also remains a huge name and star in East and SouthEast Asia.
Perhaps he had visions or hopes for becoming a bigger success in the US based on his history in Korea and Asia, but he's still done at least somewhat well for himself. After his movie roles, his MTV award for biggest movie badass and the publicity due to the Colbert spoofs, as well as making People's Most Beautiful People list, he easily outdistances any other Korean artist in the name he's made for himself stateside and the successes he's had. Other Korean celebs would kill for his 'grand failures'. |
Are you Rain's mother by any chance? |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| rainism wrote: |
| Smee wrote: |
| Tim But, in this case, Rain did win. He's won numerous times, even though he hasn't had a career in Korea in several years and his several attempts at becoming an American star have failed, grandly. |
be fair.
Rain remains a huge star in Korea, even if it's based on past laurels and achievements. 2008 isn't that long ago, is it? He also remains a huge name and star in East and SouthEast Asia.
Perhaps he had visions or hopes for becoming a bigger success in the US based on his history in Korea and Asia, but he's still done at least somewhat well for himself. After his movie roles, his MTV award for biggest movie badass and the publicity due to the Colbert spoofs, as well as making People's Most Beautiful People list, he easily outdistances any other Korean artist in the name he's made for himself stateside and the successes he's had. Other Korean celebs would kill for his 'grand failures'. |
Are you Rain's mother by any chance? |
yes I am. I'm haunting Dave's in my current ghost form.
I think Westerners initially get turned off to my son because of the superlatives lavished upon him by proud Korean men and womenfolk but if you took the time to learn about him a little bit, you'd find his story fairly compelling and on top of that find out that in real life he's a genuinely nice and humble guy. |
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decolyon
Joined: 24 Jul 2010
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Does no one remember that this exact same thing happened a few years ago? Same online Time poll and everything. Rain was voted number 1 and Stephen Colbert was number 2. Then Colbert had this whole running gag about it where he parodied one of Rain's songs and then Rain came on his show and they had a dance off (it was epic) and even today Colbert throws in a "RAAAIIIN!" scream every time he talks about his archnemesis.
Anyways, every time a Western news outlet has an online poll of anything related to music or entertainment, the Korean netizens mobilize and vote multiple times for their representative. It means nothing to the vast consumers of Western media but it makes the Koreans think they've somehow accomplished something.
Funny, the same year they first got Rain to the top of the online poll, the Wonder Girls were at their peak. And when the Grammys rolled around, The Wonder Girls weren't even mentioned. They showed them for about 2 seconds sitting in the audience and that was it. The next day Korean blogs and middle schoolers around the country were shocked and outraged that they didn't win like artist of the year or whatever.
It's something they have failed to grasp. Just because something is huge and ingrained in every facet of the popular culture here, does not mean that it even registers to the rest of the world. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| It's something they have failed to grasp. Just because something is huge and ingrained in every facet of the popular culture here, does not mean that it even registers to the rest of the world. |
Reminds me of expats who hoot and holler that things here are different from back home.
But yes, someone popular to the 2 billion of East and South-East Asia does not deserve to be popular. That should go to an American.
Although ranking him ahead of Obama, Merkel, Cameron, and even Korea's own Ban Ki-Moon is flat out stupid. I would have no problem if it was an entertainment ranking, but when you have actual business and political leaders on the list, that is just stupid.
Seriously, Rain over Ban-Ki Moon? Come on idiot young people. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| It's something they have failed to grasp. Just because something is huge and ingrained in every facet of the popular culture here, does not mean that it even registers to the rest of the world. |
Reminds me of expats who hoot and holler that things here are different from back home.
But yes, someone popular to the 2 billion of East and South-East Asia does not deserve to be popular. That should go to an American.
Although ranking him ahead of Obama, Merkel, Cameron, and even Korea's own Ban Ki-Moon is flat out stupid. I would have no problem if it was an entertainment ranking, but when you have actual business and political leaders on the list, that is just stupid.
Seriously, Rain over Ban-Ki Moon? Come on idiot young people. |
pick someone better. Ban Ki Moon, the president of the UN is a figurehead with no importance whatsoever. I have nothing against the guy but he has zero influence. The ceo of samsung might be a better choice. Among celebs, Korea has the big 3, Rain, Park Ji Sung and Kim Yu Na. |
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RangerMcGreggor
Joined: 12 Jan 2011 Location: Somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| nathanrutledge wrote: |
| 20 bucks says that there was a big online push in Korea to get him voted number one, as this is a READER poll. |
When I asked my students about this, they told me Rain isn't as popular as he use to be and were pretty baffled by the poll too. I'm guessing he's getting massive votes from other parts of Asia (though I wouldn't be shocked if he got massive gyopo support). |
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decolyon
Joined: 24 Jul 2010
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| It's something they have failed to grasp. Just because something is huge and ingrained in every facet of the popular culture here, does not mean that it even registers to the rest of the world. |
Reminds me of expats who hoot and holler that things here are different from back home.
But yes, someone popular to the 2 billion of East and South-East Asia does not deserve to be popular. That should go to an American. |
Oh come off it man. Try, just for once, to put your America bashing aside and look at what I actually wrote. I said just because someone is popular here doesn't mean they are popular back home. I didn't say they don't deserve to be because they aren't American. What a *beep*.
Case in point, I'm sure even a casual follower of sport or art knows Kim Yu Na is probably the best figure skater ever and certainly the best of her generation. Americans know her and applaud her talent and achievement.
Americans can be arrogant and a bit cocky, but we're no where near as selfish or conceited as the rest of the world makes us out to be. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| It's something they have failed to grasp. Just because something is huge and ingrained in every facet of the popular culture here, does not mean that it even registers to the rest of the world. |
Reminds me of expats who hoot and holler that things here are different from back home.
But yes, someone popular to the 2 billion of East and South-East Asia does not deserve to be popular. That should go to an American. |
Oh come off it man. Try, just for once, to put your America bashing aside and look at what I actually wrote. I said just because someone is popular here doesn't mean they are popular back home. I didn't say they don't deserve to be because they aren't American. What a *beep*.
Case in point, I'm sure even a casual follower of sport or art knows Kim Yu Na is probably the best figure skater ever and certainly the best of her generation. Americans know her and applaud her talent and achievement.
Americans can be arrogant and a bit cocky, but we're no where near as selfish or conceited as the rest of the world makes us out to be. |
Then why such a snit over Rain winning?
I understand in the sense that he isn't a political or economic or religious figure and him winning is ridiculous in the same sense that Colbert being at the top is ridiculous. But to say he doesn't deserve to win because the rest of the (Western) world isn't familiar with him is silly.
America basher? Please. Check my post history on how I feel about people ripping on my home state of Michigan and the city of Detroit. Obama should have clearly won and then probably the Pope or the Dalai Lama or the guy in Tunisia who set himself on fire. The only thing I have a problem with are people who seem to rail against the silliness of Korea who engage in the exact same silliness themselves, all the while claiming to be "cultured". |
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