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Ryst Helmut
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...
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I don't understand your stamps. You mean you have the change of status of sojourn stamp as F2, and on this F2 stamp it is stamped again with
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| "permission for alteration or addition of employment place." |
That sounds like free ticket permission. |
No, there are multiple stamps. The change stamp was when I applied for the F-2-1, and the "permission for engaging in activities not covered by the status of sojourn" was for each job I had outside (within, whatever) my F2 status. I've other stamps that say, "permission for alteration or addition of employment place."
My passport only has this one stamp (when I first changed status) indicating my E2 status (post F2)....but I recall chicken scratch being written on the back of my ARC each year.
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Ryst Helmut
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| fidel wrote: |
Ryst Helmut also seems to insinuate that the process of getting an E2 is something of a bureaucratic nightmare.
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| 'F' class does not exempt one from free working conditions. You do need permission (from immigration), but no E status is given......but MUCH less a hassle, and red tape. |
Nothing could be further from the truth. I took my contract and my schools registration number, filled out the appropriate form and 'bobs your uncle'. Had an E2 scribbled on my card after 10 minutes of waiting. No red tape, no hassal. |
Sorry if it came out like that. I've said it in other posts, my immigration office was most helpful (save when the elder officer wanted to assert his 'wisdom'.) I got my F2 in less than 20 minutes, however, if I remember right, a friend's immi. office was telling him it took days/weeks/or something retarded. The red tape I refer to is the inconsistent rulings immigration enforces, and having to play along.
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komtengi
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Fourth, *beep* happens, and the F2-1 does shield you from deportation. Got attacked by some frunk fool and punched his lights out? You are safer with an F2-1 if charges get pressed. Many people have been deported for many reasons, not just illegal work. |
Please show me some proof of this. Have you been in situations where deportation is an issue?>? I have and having an F2 didnt mean squat. |
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tokki
Joined: 26 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Fourth, *beep* happens, and the F2-1 does shield you from deportation. Got attacked by some frunk fool and punched his lights out? You are safer with an F2-1 if charges get pressed. Many people have been deported for many reasons, not just illegal work. |
Please show me some proof of this. Have you been in situations where deportation is an issue?>? I have and having an F2 didnt mean squat. |
Were you deported? I havent been in such a situation, but many people have. People caught doing privates on an F2-1 would be protected from deportation. |
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komtengi
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I wasnt deported, and it was over an assault. But deportation was definately a possibility. Thankfully the cops take money... so do the victims |
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tokki
Joined: 26 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| I wasnt deported, and it was over an assault. But deportation was definately a possibility. Thankfully the cops take money... so do the victims |
Obviously they will kick your ass out for major offenses, before sticking you in the worst prisons for a while. However, the F2-1 does offer more protection, for things like working illegally or whatever. You are given more leeway than an E2 holder. But for major assult things, yeah, deportation can happen, but I think that had you had only the E2, you would have had a harder time with the cops. |
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phaedrus
Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: I'm comin' to get ya.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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If you are married to a Korean the F2 is such a good idea to get.
Even if you think you are really secure, bad things always happen.
The hassle is minimal, and for myself after a year the renewal is for two years, and then three. There is not a yearly fee and trip to immigration.
The nicest thing is knowing that if I get fired I only have to worry about a place to stay and where to put my stuff while I look for other work. Depending on how quickly you score new work the F2 may save you two trips to Japan or wherever.
Immigration is much nicer to you. They let you change jobs much more easily.
In my case it helped me get a good job, because my employer didn't need to spring for a Japan trip, and my employer knew I was secure here. |
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tokki
Joined: 26 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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If you are married to a Korean the F2 is such a good idea to get.
Even if you think you are really secure, bad things always happen.
The hassle is minimal, and for myself after a year the renewal is for two years, and then three. There is not a yearly fee and trip to immigration.
The nicest thing is knowing that if I get fired I only have to worry about a place to stay and where to put my stuff while I look for other work. Depending on how quickly you score new work the F2 may save you two trips to Japan or wherever.
Immigration is much nicer to you. They let you change jobs much more easily.
In my case it helped me get a good job, because my employer didn't need to spring for a Japan trip, and my employer knew I was secure here. |
I addressed this before. More than what it does for you, the F2-1 is great for your employer. Obviously shady ones wont hire ya, but the good bosses who treat you well and have no reason to fear that you will just run off, know that an F2-1 holder is a much more stable and dependable employee because hes a veteran, he has ties and a good system of support in Korea and that he will be much less of a hassle for the school and wont have any of the numerous issues associated with newbies who have no roots here. |
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fidel
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I also doubt I will be treated any differently by banks when wanting credit cards or loans |
Got a credit card two years ago, under my name with a ten million limit because I had an F2-1. I think the guy figured anyone who has married a Korean can't be all bad. (Try Kookmin Bank, Hogwan Road, Pyeongchon)
Also, I got my current position not only because of my quals and experience, but also because of my visa status. Both the staff and students were mightily impressed with the fact that I am married to one of their kin, and have had standing ovations before (don't ask me why, however it's still a fairly novel thing for a Korean to marry a foreign devil).
The F2 provides stability and does open up a whole lot of opportunities for you. If nothing else, it provides you and your family with peace of mind knowing that you are a kind of resident of Korea. A couple of hours spent every year, or every two years and a few bucks, is a small price to pay. |
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tokki
Joined: 26 Jul 2003
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| The F2-1 is a huge advantage, no matter how good your boss is. Mr.Pink, are you planning to stay in Korea forever on an E2? Are you planning to stay with one school forever? seriously, if you are looking to make this place your home, its time to get your visa situation under control and to get independence from your boss. The F2-1 will ope doors for ya, and the hassle is minimal. You have to renew every year ONCE. Then its a 2 year renewal, and then 2 or 3 and then you get permanent residence. On an E2 you are at the bottom of the ladder, time to start climbing. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Mr Pink wrote
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| I also doubt I will be treated any differently by banks when wanting credit cards or loans |
Got a credit card two years ago, under my name with a ten million limit because I had an F2-1. I think the guy figured anyone who has married a Korean can't be all bad. (Try Kookmin Bank, Hogwan Road, Pyeongchon)
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They changed the laws regarding credit cards.
Don't know if you noticed Real Reality's 1000 posts on credit card defaults...but they are a HUGE and I mean HUGE problem for Korea atm.
I applied. I work at a high school, have my own place/car and they refused me because I work a contract job. I applied at the Kookmin bank. Also I have been a customer of that bank since 1997...7 yrs. To say I was pissed is an understatement.
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| The F2-1 is a huge advantage, no matter how good your boss is. Mr.Pink, are you planning to stay in Korea forever on an E2? Are you planning to stay with one school forever? seriously, if you are looking to make this place your home, its time to get your visa situation under control and to get independence from your boss. The F2-1 will ope doors for ya, and the hassle is minimal. You have to renew every year ONCE. Then its a 2 year renewal, and then 2 or 3 and then you get permanent residence. On an E2 you are at the bottom of the ladder, time to start climbing. |
I seriously want some HARD info on this perm. residency thing. Considering MALES marrying Korean's couldn't even get the F2-1 deal until VERY recently...where is this 7yrs BS? I have been living in Korea for 7yrs. If I spoke fluent Korean, I would be able to qualify to become a citizen...why then can't I become a perm. resident?
How am I dependent on my boss? Well for cash I sure am. But so is everyone who has a job. As I said before, my school is great. The concept of "holding something over my head" is foreign to them. I am treated like a professional, not some hakwon cattle. I am always thinking of the future, and see no reason why I couldn't do the F2-1 thing the next time I have to hit immigration. That is 7mths away...I won't change jobs before then unless someone offers me a HUGE incentive. I don't teach for the cash...I could make more elsewhere, I teach because I love it.
Anyways...for those doing hakwon jobs...yup I agree, an F2-1 is necessary. For me, it can wait until I have to do immigration again...unless I decide to work for a summer camp, which is doubtful. |
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fidel
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ
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I don't know if your wife is anything like mine, but she switches on the charm when dealing with any of her compatriots be it at a bank or with immigration. Wherever, it seems to work. She also seems to have friends scattered around the place in positions of importance and mentioning names often helps smooth the way.
I know Real Reality has plastered this forum with stats on credit card defaulters, however they are still thrusting them down Koreans throats. My wife gets pestered all the time to join this and that program.
I'ver heard about this permanent residency thing from several of my friends with F2's, however no-one has shown me anything in writing from the Korean Government, so who knows? I doubt they have been lying to me though. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 5:03 am Post subject: |
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I don't know if your wife is anything like mine, but she switches on the charm when dealing with any of her compatriots be it at a bank or with immigration. Wherever, it seems to work. She also seems to have friends scattered around the place in positions of importance and mentioning names often helps smooth the way.
I know Real Reality has plastered this forum with stats on credit card defaulters, however they are still thrusting them down Koreans throats. My wife gets pestered all the time to join this and that program.
I'ver heard about this permanent residency thing from several of my friends with F2's, however no-one has shown me anything in writing from the Korean Government, so who knows? I doubt they have been lying to me though. |
Kookmin bank changed their stance. I make decent coin, have been at the same job 4yrs, same bank 7yrs etc. I am tempted to go down to their head office someday and bitch out a VP.
I'll believe the perm. residence thing when I see it in writing on an official website. It bugs me that Koreans who have never set foot in Korea, were born in America and could care less about Korea...THEY get F-4 status BOOM first day in. WTF is that all about. Yet those who stay here and raise families got to put time in etc. to get their visas. |
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tokki
Joined: 26 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 5:37 am Post subject: |
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I don't know if your wife is anything like mine, but she switches on the charm when dealing with any of her compatriots be it at a bank or with immigration. Wherever, it seems to work. She also seems to have friends scattered around the place in positions of importance and mentioning names often helps smooth the way.
I know Real Reality has plastered this forum with stats on credit card defaulters, however they are still thrusting them down Koreans throats. My wife gets pestered all the time to join this and that program.
I'ver heard about this permanent residency thing from several of my friends with F2's, however no-one has shown me anything in writing from the Korean Government, so who knows? I doubt they have been lying to me though. |
Kookmin bank changed their stance. I make decent coin, have been at the same job 4yrs, same bank 7yrs etc. I am tempted to go down to their head office someday and *beep* out a VP.
I'll believe the perm. residence thing when I see it in writing on an official website. It bugs me that Koreans who have never set foot in Korea, were born in America and could care less about Korea...THEY get F-4 status BOOM first day in. WTF is that all about. Yet those who stay here and raise families got to put time in etc. to get their visas. |
Nothing on paper,but this is what my wife was told by immigration. After holding the F2-1 for 5 years I can apply for perm res. |
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Toby
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Wedded Bliss
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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So what happens about the entry permit with a F2-1?
With an E2 you either need to get a multi entry stamped in your passport or buy a single entry every time you leave the country.
Is that the same with an F2-1? |
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