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Korean children most unhappy in OECD
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Who's Your Daddy?



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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 1:27 am    Post subject: Korean children most unhappy in OECD Reply with quote

Korea�s children are most unhappy in OECD nations

"The survey polled 6,410 students from fourth to 12th grade across the country."

"Of all the developed countries in the world, Korean children feel the least happy.

According to the survey, Korean students� subjective happiness index was 65.98 points, the lowest among OECD member countries and far below the OECD average of 100."

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2935776

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ESL Milk "Everyday



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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't doubt it.

If you're successful in school, then chances are your parents--probably your mom-- are micromanaging your entire existence, including who your friends are and how much time you can spend with them.

If you're in the middle, you're still being raised by institutions who basically ignore you and focus on the success stories. And then there's also the bullying, which is even more omnipresent because you're almost never home, and you have almost no alone time.

If you're at the bottom, chances are your homelife is hellish, and your school life is also obviously hard.

Then there's the beatings at school and home, the pressure, and the competition. If you do well, you do well at the expense of your classmates. There's the alcoholism in Korean culture, and the long hours and pressures from the boss that basically destroy the home life. There are parents who hate each other but won't get divorced out of shame, and make each other's lives hell. There's being treated as a status symbol or embarrassment in your mom's social circle.

The list goes on...
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hondaicivic



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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL Milk "Everyday wrote:
I don't doubt it.

If you're successful in school, then chances are your parents--probably your mom-- are micromanaging your entire existence, including who your friends are and how much time you can spend with them.

If you're in the middle, you're still being raised by institutions who basically ignore you and focus on the success stories. And then there's also the bullying, which is even more omnipresent because you're almost never home, and you have almost no alone time.

If you're at the bottom, chances are your homelife is hellish, and your school life is also obviously hard.

Then there's the beatings at school and home, the pressure, and the competition. If you do well, you do well at the expense of your classmates. There's the alcoholism in Korean culture, and the long hours and pressures from the boss that basically destroy the home life. There are parents who hate each other but won't get divorced out of shame, and make each other's lives hell. There's being treated as a status symbol or embarrassment in your mom's social circle.

The list goes on...



Thank god I was raised in the US....
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NohopeSeriously



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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And there's the lack of communication between kids and parents.
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad to know that I can be a part of something bigger than myself!
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Savant



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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most spoiled children too, no doubt.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL Milk "Everyday wrote:
I don't doubt it.

If you're successful in school, then chances are your parents--probably your mom-- are micromanaging your entire existence, including who your friends are and how much time you can spend with them.

So if a Western kid is successful in school then chances are that his or her parents are also micromanaging their entire existence?

If you're in the middle, you're still being raised by institutions who basically ignore you and focus on the success stories. And then there's also the bullying, which is even more omnipresent because you're almost never home, and you have almost no alone time.

Bullying doesn't go on in Western societies? And institutions don't ignore the failures and focus on the success stories in other places?

If you're at the bottom, chances are your homelife is hellish, and your school life is also obviously hard.

Which is just as likely to be the case anywhere else.

Then there's the beatings at school and home, the pressure, and the competition. If you do well, you do well at the expense of your classmates. There's the alcoholism in Korean culture, and the long hours and pressures from the boss that basically destroy the home life. There are parents who hate each other but won't get divorced out of shame, and make each other's lives hell. There's being treated as a status symbol or embarrassment in your mom's social circle.

Not every kid is beaten at home or at school. Alcoholism is a problem in many other cultures. Koreans have one of the highest (3rd) divorce rates in the world...not seeing a lot of shame there...

The list goes on...


These are not exclusive to Korean culture (which of course you know) so why are you listing them as reasons in a thread which talks about how Korea's children are most unhappy in OECD nations (which the link to even admits is subjective)? Because many of those same nations have virtually the same problems.

Not to mention that this is 2011 data on Korean kids compared with 2006 data from the other OECD nations. Given the global financial crisis now sweeping the globe I'd like to see the 2011 stats on the OTHER OECD nations before agreeing that Korea's children are the most unhappy.
But par for the course for Korean journalism...somehow it always seems to get more validity on Dave's if it makes Korea look bad by comparision.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TUM, do you dispute the underlying findings, or just the Dave's responses?
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southernman



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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah it's not surprising.

Most rational Korean's you talk with all agree about the school system as being hell. We've probably all had that conversation with our students about how many subjects we took at school and how many hours a day we studied back home. Every student I've taught is openly envious about western students school hours and study routine when the subject has come up and been discussed.

I've still got students who contact me via txt around their birthdays and exam time. Some I haven't taught in well over a year. All they are wanting is reassurance and postive feedback, basically the stuff that they should be getting from their parents and/or current teachers.
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jack_b57



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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm curious - Do kids have a choice in Korea? Say a kid's parents say it's cool for them to follow their dreams and live a less hellish school/hagwon life - will they turn out OK? Or as the Korean parents fear, will that doom them to a crappy life?

I just wonder how much of the stress is unavoidable vs how much of the stress is unnecessary.
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West Coast Tatterdemalion



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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course they are not happy. They spend all their youth in school. Mommy and Daddy aren't ever there around because they ship them off to hagwons. Sad lives.
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Jane



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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jack_b57 wrote:
I'm curious - Do kids have a choice in Korea?


http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2932411

Save the Children also conducted an online survey last year asking children and adolescents about human rights abuses in their lives.

The majority of the 671 respondents said the �right to freely express opinions,� was needed most, because �teachers and parents don�t take children�s views into account when deciding on school camp destinations or which TV channels to watch.�

One respondent said, �I was upset because my teacher looked through the text messages on my cell phone.�
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Sticks



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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And you wonder why freshman university level students have the emotional development of a 14 year old...
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Who's Your Daddy?



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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm curious how unhappy the adults are here too. When I look at the faces on the subway, they sure seem sad.

Here's a related story:

"suicide is the No. 1 cause of death for Korean elementary, middle and high school students."


http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2934641
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
TUM, do you dispute the underlying findings, or just the Dave's responses?



I'm disputing the survey's methodology.

The survey takes a sample of Korean children from this year and compares them with data from 2006 regarding the other OECD nations.
Why 2006 and not 2011? Or 2007, 2008...? Point being you just can't take data from one year and attempt to shoehorn it into data from 5 years ago.
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