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British Criminal Record Check: Basic Disclosure?
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stew1988



Joined: 04 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 4:19 am    Post subject: British Criminal Record Check: Basic Disclosure? Reply with quote

Hi, just a little question here...

The Basic Disclosure criminal record check is all us Brits need to obtain the E2 Visa. Obviously, this check is not comprehensive and apparently it will not even display your cautions... so let's say in a hypothetical situation a person was lucky enough to get the a clean basic disclosure back even though they have a criminal history (ie: formal cautions)...

The Embassy in London also wants you to fill in a form and bring it with you for the VISA issuing process, they ask a question along the lines of: "Have you ever been arrested OR convicted in your country OR foreign country for the violation of laws?"

So, the basic disclosure criminal record check is clean and it has been accepted by Korean Immigration. Is it wise to write on the form that you do have cautions, or would it be advisable to just keep quite seeing has your criminal check has come back clean.

Cheers.
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morrisonhotel



Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 4:21 am    Post subject: Re: British Criminal Record Check: Basic Disclosure? Reply with quote

stew1988 wrote:


So, the basic disclosure criminal record check is clean and it has been accepted by Korean Immigration. Is it wise to write on the form that you do have cautions, or would it be advisable to just keep quite seeing has your criminal check has come back clean.

Cheers.


I'd just keep quiet. If you do mention it, you might well get denied. The basic disclosure doesn't acknowledge anything of a serious nature so just keep quiet.
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stew1988



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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess this would be the only thing to do. The way I see it, if a person was to admit any form of criminal misdemeanor they would be turned down immediately...I don't however know what the Embassy in London can and does look into. When processing the VISA do they or can they even, check out a persons comprehensive criminal record?
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Undercover Brother



Joined: 21 Jan 2011
Location: Ireland

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its not that the Basic Disclosure doesnt display cautions, its that it only goes back 5 years. I have 2 cautions from around 10 years ago, but my basic disclosure came back clean and no problems at the embassy. I actually went to the embassy in Dublin as I have an Irish passport but as im from northern ireland I had to get the basic disclosure check. The embassys will be the same no matter what country they're in. Say nothing and you'll be fine.
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stew1988



Joined: 04 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for the advice. I know very little about the matter, but if 5 years was the threshold for wiping out the cautions, then it would have still shown up on the basic disclosure. Maybe there is a period of time when they get erased but I'm not sure exactly what this is.
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Strike



Joined: 04 May 2010

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't say anything on the form as others have said. The Basic Disclosure only shows unspent convictions, so you could have done prison time for mugging someone or drug dealing 4 years ago and it wont show on the Basic Disclosure. It actually makes the entire process of asking British nationals to provide a CRB a total farce, but that's not our problem.

Basic does not show cautions, the Standard form does, but you cannot apply for that as an individual.

There is no concern whatsoever about the Embassy being able to look into your background and find your cautions, it's not going to happen.
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ccair002



Joined: 27 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys

Where can we obtain the CRB form from?

Thanks
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missty



Joined: 19 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ccair002 wrote:
Hi guys

Where can we obtain the CRB form from?

Thanks


Having a quick look at the Disclosure Scotland site, it looks like you need to request one online. You can't just download it. The link is:

http://www.disclosurescotland.co.uk/request/

That is if you mean an application form? Although, I've never requested a paper form, and have always done it online. (Even though the website says otherwise.) In fact I have just done this two weeks ago and the check arrived in England last week.
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morrisonhotel



Joined: 18 Jul 2009
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ccair002 wrote:
Hi guys

Where can we obtain the CRB form from?

Thanks


Depends on which one you want. You can either go to your local police station and ask for the subject access request or visit, as it says above, the Disclosure Scotland website for the Basic Disclosure. Either is accepted by immigration.
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Hotpants



Joined: 27 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, you could have been a badass criminal up to 2000, or could have committed any misdemeanor in any other country other than the UK or Korea, (or another way around it is to marry a Korean and bypass E2 regs althogether), but it's not going to show up on your UK CRC. A totally foolproof system for blocking nasty people from Korea ...
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ccair002



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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys. I'll head to the police station and get it sorted there
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ZIFA



Joined: 23 Feb 2011
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

morrisonhotel wrote:
You can either go to your local police station and ask for the subject access request or visit, as it says above, the Disclosure Scotland website for the Basic Disclosure. Either is accepted by immigration.


really?

I had to get a basic disclosure because subject access only supplies a local county check.

Subject access used to be accompanied by a national clearance check from the PNC (Police national computer). However to my knowledge they have stopped these.
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morrisonhotel



Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do

PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZIFA wrote:
morrisonhotel wrote:
You can either go to your local police station and ask for the subject access request or visit, as it says above, the Disclosure Scotland website for the Basic Disclosure. Either is accepted by immigration.


really?

I had to get a basic disclosure because subject access only supplies a local county check.

Subject access used to be accompanied by a national clearance check from the PNC (Police national computer). However to my knowledge they have stopped these.


That's strange because it is a national level check. That must be a very recent change.
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valkerie



Joined: 02 Mar 2007
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a lot I could say about the daftness of the entire thing, but the biggest annoyance was having to get a UK check (not the first time), when I hadn't even been back there since the last one!

Anyhow, my first 2 were subject access (started with the local copshop) and both mentioned another to come from central dept but neither did.

This year I as told I must have the basic disclosure. Be prepared for immigration to question the word 'Scotland'. They found it hard to understand that it was UK wide.
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ZIFA



Joined: 23 Feb 2011
Location: Dici che il fiume..Trova la via al mare

PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

valkerie wrote:
my first 2 were subject access (started with the local copshop) and both mentioned another to come from central dept but neither did.


Right.
I first got a subject access back in 2006. It was from my local county constabulary, but a month after it arrived I recieved a supplementary national-level check from the PNC.

Forward to September 2010 and i once again applied to my local constabulary. I got the county-level check but there was no PNC check. looking at the national police website, they said they had stopped national-level checks.

I think disclosure scotland is the only one doing nationwide checks now.
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