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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Excuse me, you're the one also claiming it is a major government cover up. Where are your sources??? Business Insider? Pak Observer? Come on dude. It's laughable. |
Actually, pretty well all I ever quote are CNN, MSNBC and the like. Because I know that's all you'll go for. But then you pounce one source you don't like (and miscredit me with posting others that I didnt). You're a very disingenuous person.
Really? Please go back and read your previous post about the video feeds, where you posted terrible sources. Again, you are lying. Flat out. LOL.
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| Those do no stack up to all the sources I've presented: |
You haven't posted any sources.
Again go back to the posts where I did. LOL. This is ridiculous....
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| The President, Al Qaeda, Ron Paul a Republican presidential hopeful in direct competition with the BHO. Senators from both sides of the isle, the Pakistan Government, and the Taliban. I am quoting people who are political rivals, who have seen the pictures and are claiming its real. |
You haven't quoted anything. You claim they said this and that, but you're too lazy to even throw down any links. I want you to get off your ass and bring something to the table that can actually be debated on.
I've done it already. Take off your blindfold.
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| I'm quoting a country we freaking invaded to kill OBL and they admit it. I'm quoting his own family. I'm quoting the Taliban and Al Qaeda who have A LOT invested in exposing this supposed fraud to the world. So keep saying I haven't presented anything. Cover your eyes with your tin foil hat. |
Yeah I recall you quoted his own family, and then I slammed another source down directly quoting his son NOT conceding that his father had been killed (due to there not being enough evidence). Your claim that you quoted the others is utter nonsense. When did you quote Al Qaida? You can't even name a single person you claim you're quoting! You're so full of crap it's coming out your ears.
His son wasn't even there. I'm quoting a woman who saw him get shot. Which person is more reliable...hmmmmm.
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| Anyone out there still reading this. Look at the information that is available. Think about the risk involved in the operation. Is it worth it to risk re-election? Is it worth it to stake your entire administration and nations credibility on the line by lying to the world to gain some bumps in your approval rating over a year before the election? |
Worthless speculation on your part. Your rhetorical questions are irrelevant. (although the answer to them is most certainly 'yes').
Great rebuttal to my questions. One word....wow.
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| You are presenting your own outlandish theory: Gov't cover up. You offer the weakest of weak evidence. |
Actually I've provided very compelling evidence. But it's not good enough for you. Oh well, that probably means I'm on the right track.
Your evidence is other conspiracy theorists, anonymous sources who can never be verified, and low rate "news" websites.
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| I've presented an argument with sources from people directly involved: President, Senators from both sides of the aisle, Presidential hopefuls, our enemies, other countries, the dead's family who were there and saw it. |
No sources, no direct quotes, no links. All you've said is that the president and his lackeys (who have a very strong motive to lie) says it's true, therefore it must be true. No independent verification of anything whatsoever. You've brought nothing to the debate.
Keep ignoring everything....it only further proves my point that you will immediately brush off or ignore anything presented. And then you have the audacity to claim that you are debating properly. I've done my part here. You've ignored everything and presented only weak evidence. There isn't anything further to say. Go back, reread the thread and see what I've said. Try to refute it and then we can continue. I refuse to repost things you are clearly ignoring, or to continue to discuss things with someone who can't read the news every day.
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not going to reply to your embedded, bolded comments (not that you wrote anything warranting a response anyway). Seriously, learn how to use quote boxes properly, or just get lost. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not going to reply to your embedded, bolded comments (not that you wrote anything warranting a response anyway). Seriously, learn how to use quote boxes properly, or just get lost. |
Ok, so you quit the discussion then. You have failed to respond to a number of points I've made throughout this thread. And now all you can do is take cheap shots. I could carless about using quote boxes. It doesn't change the fact that you are unwilling to carry on this discussion.
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Abe Scrap
Joined: 01 May 2011
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| Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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Dead Osama was brought into Abbottabad and �killed�
Special Correspondent
Washington�Information collected from various sources and pieced together gives altogether a different turn to the Abbottabad episode and this scribe now tends to believe that the slain Osama bin Laden was captured and killed some years ago by the US forces and was brought in a coffin to Abbottabad on the night between May Ist and 2nd and �killed.� Some reports suggest that the body of the dead Osama was lying in a morgue specially erected by US Army in a small safe house at the Bagram Air Base, Afghanistan for the last few years and as per CIA�s plan, he was now �captured� from a place inside Pakistan and �killed� at the �appropriate time�.
The body of frozen Osama was brought to Abbottabad by a helicopter under the most sophisticated and hi-tech operation and taken to the upper storey of the building. A commando immediately sprayed a blood-like solution at his face to establish that the leader of Al-Qaeda was killed on the spot. Exclusive reports and photographs acquired by the Pakistan Observer in the United States establish that the body of Osama bin Laden was transported in a coffin as seen in the accompanying night vision picture during mid-night operation. The Pentagon officials have confirmed that after some time there was a blackout at the compound and minutes later a unit of Navy SEALS staged the killing drama.
Some analysts believe that the �killing� of Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad was reflective of two possible considerations: One, that the death of the mastermind of Al-Qaeda will provide yet another excuse to the US Administration to hasten the process of withdrawal of its forces from Afghanistan and Second, his �recovery� from the now much known compound in Abbottabad will further justify the mounting pressure on Pakistan to �do more.�
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Bwahahaha! Information gathered from even less reliable sources and pieced together at will to form a ridiculous hypothesis shows that bin Laden was frozen in a morgue in Afghanistan. Are you kidding? Pakistan Observer? Really....REALLY?!?! Their tag line is "widely read and trusted daily"...so they must be reliable. Wow....just....wow. Next thing we know, Fox News really is "Fair and Balanced"......
Again, thank you for proving that all you can do is grab whatever awful internet website that offers some crackpot theory with no real sources as evidence of conspiracy.
Their sources are that they pieced together evidence from other sources? What sources? Oh Webster Tarpley (a conspiracy nut) and none other than Alex John (who must be Alex Jones). So their sources are other conspiracy theorists? Wow....you really reaching now. |
Once again, we see a post with no substance, just messenger attacks and name-calling. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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Dead Osama was brought into Abbottabad and �killed�
Special Correspondent
Washington�Information collected from various sources and pieced together gives altogether a different turn to the Abbottabad episode and this scribe now tends to believe that the slain Osama bin Laden was captured and killed some years ago by the US forces and was brought in a coffin to Abbottabad on the night between May Ist and 2nd and �killed.� Some reports suggest that the body of the dead Osama was lying in a morgue specially erected by US Army in a small safe house at the Bagram Air Base, Afghanistan for the last few years and as per CIA�s plan, he was now �captured� from a place inside Pakistan and �killed� at the �appropriate time�.
The body of frozen Osama was brought to Abbottabad by a helicopter under the most sophisticated and hi-tech operation and taken to the upper storey of the building. A commando immediately sprayed a blood-like solution at his face to establish that the leader of Al-Qaeda was killed on the spot. Exclusive reports and photographs acquired by the Pakistan Observer in the United States establish that the body of Osama bin Laden was transported in a coffin as seen in the accompanying night vision picture during mid-night operation. The Pentagon officials have confirmed that after some time there was a blackout at the compound and minutes later a unit of Navy SEALS staged the killing drama.
Some analysts believe that the �killing� of Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad was reflective of two possible considerations: One, that the death of the mastermind of Al-Qaeda will provide yet another excuse to the US Administration to hasten the process of withdrawal of its forces from Afghanistan and Second, his �recovery� from the now much known compound in Abbottabad will further justify the mounting pressure on Pakistan to �do more.�
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Bwahahaha! Information gathered from even less reliable sources and pieced together at will to form a ridiculous hypothesis shows that bin Laden was frozen in a morgue in Afghanistan. Are you kidding? Pakistan Observer? Really....REALLY?!?! Their tag line is "widely read and trusted daily"...so they must be reliable. Wow....just....wow. Next thing we know, Fox News really is "Fair and Balanced"......
Again, thank you for proving that all you can do is grab whatever awful internet website that offers some crackpot theory with no real sources as evidence of conspiracy.
Their sources are that they pieced together evidence from other sources? What sources? Oh Webster Tarpley (a conspiracy nut) and none other than Alex John (who must be Alex Jones). So their sources are other conspiracy theorists? Wow....you really reaching now. |
Once again, we see a post with no substance, just messenger attacks and name-calling. |
You're sadly mistaken. Your source is what lacks substance. There isn't much I can really say about it but to laugh at it. You believe that bin Laden was kept in a freezer in Afghanistan for years. Enough said. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| I'm not going to reply to your embedded, bolded comments (not that you wrote anything warranting a response anyway). Seriously, learn how to use quote boxes properly, or just get lost. |
Ok, so you quit the discussion then. You have failed to respond to a number of points I've made throughout this thread. And now all you can do is take cheap shots. I could carless about using quote boxes. It doesn't change the fact that you are unwilling to carry on this discussion.
That was fun while it lasted. |
No, it wasn't fun. It was a waste of time. You made no points in this thread. And now you even lack basic etiquette in using quote boxes (what did you expect me to take the time to sort through each of your worthless comments and re-insert them into quote boxes for you?)
And I don't usually take cheap shots, but for someone as rude and obnoxious as you've been since the beginning to start complaining about it now just shows you can dish it out but you can't take it. How weak. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 12:19 am Post subject: |
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I could really careless what you think about me. All you've proven so far is what everyone has already PMed me or posted in this thread about you. You will either ignore or claim conspiracy about EVERY thing someone posts if it doesn't fit your ridiculous crazy view.
You're right, arguing with a schizo is not fun. Hence the eye roll.  |
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Abe Scrap
Joined: 01 May 2011
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| Abe Scrap wrote: |
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Dead Osama was brought into Abbottabad and �killed�
Special Correspondent
Washington�Information collected from various sources and pieced together gives altogether a different turn to the Abbottabad episode and this scribe now tends to believe that the slain Osama bin Laden was captured and killed some years ago by the US forces and was brought in a coffin to Abbottabad on the night between May Ist and 2nd and �killed.� Some reports suggest that the body of the dead Osama was lying in a morgue specially erected by US Army in a small safe house at the Bagram Air Base, Afghanistan for the last few years and as per CIA�s plan, he was now �captured� from a place inside Pakistan and �killed� at the �appropriate time�.
The body of frozen Osama was brought to Abbottabad by a helicopter under the most sophisticated and hi-tech operation and taken to the upper storey of the building. A commando immediately sprayed a blood-like solution at his face to establish that the leader of Al-Qaeda was killed on the spot. Exclusive reports and photographs acquired by the Pakistan Observer in the United States establish that the body of Osama bin Laden was transported in a coffin as seen in the accompanying night vision picture during mid-night operation. The Pentagon officials have confirmed that after some time there was a blackout at the compound and minutes later a unit of Navy SEALS staged the killing drama.
Some analysts believe that the �killing� of Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad was reflective of two possible considerations: One, that the death of the mastermind of Al-Qaeda will provide yet another excuse to the US Administration to hasten the process of withdrawal of its forces from Afghanistan and Second, his �recovery� from the now much known compound in Abbottabad will further justify the mounting pressure on Pakistan to �do more.�
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Bwahahaha! Information gathered from even less reliable sources and pieced together at will to form a ridiculous hypothesis shows that bin Laden was frozen in a morgue in Afghanistan. Are you kidding? Pakistan Observer? Really....REALLY?!?! Their tag line is "widely read and trusted daily"...so they must be reliable. Wow....just....wow. Next thing we know, Fox News really is "Fair and Balanced"......
Again, thank you for proving that all you can do is grab whatever awful internet website that offers some crackpot theory with no real sources as evidence of conspiracy.
Their sources are that they pieced together evidence from other sources? What sources? Oh Webster Tarpley (a conspiracy nut) and none other than Alex John (who must be Alex Jones). So their sources are other conspiracy theorists? Wow....you really reaching now. |
Once again, we see a post with no substance, just messenger attacks and name-calling. |
You're sadly mistaken. Your source is what lacks substance. There isn't much I can really say about it but to laugh at it. You believe that bin Laden was kept in a freezer in Afghanistan for years. Enough said. |
If I post a news story, it does not necessarily mean I believe it. I post them for those with an open mind who realize that one is not going to get the full story from mainstream or jrwhite-approved media to read and comment upon. In this case, I posted it because it is consistent with Dr. Pieczenik's claims, you know, the one he made nine years ago, and then went back on the Alex Jones Show to confirm in the past few days? You see, my sources are consistent, while yours change their story practically from moment to moment. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| Forget the death photos. I want to see his porn stash! |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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Dead Osama was brought into Abbottabad and �killed�
Special Correspondent
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Washington�Information collected from various sources and pieced together gives altogether a different turn to the Abbottabad episode and this scribe now tends to believe that the slain Osama bin Laden was captured and killed some years ago by the US forces and was brought in a coffin to Abbottabad on the night between May Ist and 2nd and �killed.� Some reports suggest that the body of the dead Osama was lying in a morgue specially erected by US Army in a small safe house at the Bagram Air Base, Afghanistan for the last few years and as per CIA�s plan, he was now �captured� from a place inside Pakistan and �killed� at the �appropriate time�.
The body of frozen Osama was brought to Abbottabad by a helicopter under the most sophisticated and hi-tech operation and taken to the upper storey of the building. A commando immediately sprayed a blood-like solution at his face to establish that the leader of Al-Qaeda was killed on the spot. |
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Additional facts have come to light to further coroborate the second killing of the long dead Osama.
It can now be revealed that dark ops specialist, Mad-Eye Joe performed a special memory charm on Osama's ex-wives and children to erase their memories and put them all under the imperious curse so they would report having lived with him for years at the compound and they would confirm his death in the raid.
It can be further reported, according to high ranking sorcerers, that the Minister is quite pleased.
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 12:50 pm Post subject: ... |
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Hmmm...
2 quote boxes?
It's a lie! |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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Will Pakistan Let China Look at the Crashed U.S. Helicopter?
The Blackhawk wreckage is the latest example of the political chess game being played by Islamabad and Washington |
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Pakistani officials are hinting that they may let China take a look at the wreckage of the top-secret U.S. helicopter left behind after the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden.
An unidentified Pakistani official told ABC News Tuesday that the Chinese were �very interested� in taking a look at the remains. A second unidentified official went one step further, telling the network, �We might let them [the Chinese] take a look.� |
http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/05/11/secret_blackhawk_helicopter_pakistan_hints_it_may_let_china_look.html
As an American I feel good knowing we give Pakistan billions of dollars a year. They really deserve it. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| The Bush admin kept Osama in a freezer without using him? Don't think so. |
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Menino80
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
Location: Hodor?
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Will Pakistan Let China Look at the Crashed U.S. Helicopter?
The Blackhawk wreckage is the latest example of the political chess game being played by Islamabad and Washington |
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Pakistani officials are hinting that they may let China take a look at the wreckage of the top-secret U.S. helicopter left behind after the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden.
An unidentified Pakistani official told ABC News Tuesday that the Chinese were �very interested� in taking a look at the remains. A second unidentified official went one step further, telling the network, �We might let them [the Chinese] take a look.� |
http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/05/11/secret_blackhawk_helicopter_pakistan_hints_it_may_let_china_look.html
As an American I feel good knowing we give Pakistan billions of dollars a year. They really deserve it. |
I would like to think there is a good realist "balance of power" consideration going into this whole "fund Pakistan" thing, but I think i'm giving our gov't too much credit. |
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Abe Scrap
Joined: 01 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 7:49 am Post subject: |
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Remember the claim that Al-Qaeda confirmed OBL died in the raid? It turns out the website it came from is a US contractor! Once again, PJ Watson gets the scoop.
US Government Contractor Claims �Al-Qaeda� Has Confirmed Bin Laden Fairytale
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Friday, May 6, 2011
One of the groups behind the endless fake Bin Laden tapes and a contractor for the US government tells us that �Al-Qaeda� has confirmed the death of Osama. Although Bin Laden has been dead since 2001, the fact the US government is having to rely on the notorious SITE Institute to prop up the crumbling Bin Laden fable that was manufactured on Sunday night shows how desperate the White House has become in its bid to sell the public on more terror fearmongering.
�Al Qaeda released a statement on jihadist forums confirming the death of its leader, Osama bin Laden, according to SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors militant messages,� reports CNN.
�The statement, translated by SITE, lauded the late militant, threatened to take action against the United States, and urged Pakistanis to �rise up and revolt.�
SITE�s claim that �Al-Qaeda� has confirmed the official White House version of events concerning the death of Bin Laden, thereby lending presumed credence to a narrative that has quickly attracted derision and suspicion even amongst mainstream journalists, is about as credible as if Barney the Purple Dinosaur had made a statement assuring us that Osama was killed on Sunday evening.
SITE is a US military-industrial complex front and has been caught red-handed releasing fake Al-Qaeda tapes on numerous occasions.
The SITE organization is nothing more than a contractor for the U.S. government, receiving some $500,000 a year annually from Uncle Sam, the majority of which is paid for by U.S. taxpayers. The group was founded by Rita Katz, the daughter of an executed Israeli spy. Katz has worked closely with the Department of Justice, Department of the Treasury, and the Department of Homeland Security.
SITE�s website content was found to be largely copied from the U.S. State Department. �SITE�s �Terrorism Library, on cursory investigation, looks to be a straight data scrape from the U.S. Department of State�s Patterns of Global Terrorism � 2003, Appendix B,� notes SourceWatch. This organization is nothing more than a dummy group which acts as a conduit for Pentagon propaganda.
Everything about SITE indicates that it is nothing more than a trojan horse that is regularly used by the military-industrial complex to release staged Al-Qaeda videotapes as part of the ongoing propaganda offensive to justify the brutal, pointless and manufactured war on terror...
confirmatory links at link |
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