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sirius black
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My question is if there is so much circumstantial evidence that would warrant OBL not being killed why dont the Republicans explore this?
Government conspiracies benefit both parties or both parties have a vested interest in governmental conspiracy theories. What is in it for the Republcans if they are in on it. If they are not, why arent they part of the group doubting OBL's death? |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
My question is if there is so much circumstantial evidence that would warrant OBL not being killed why dont the Republicans explore this?
Government conspiracies benefit both parties or both parties have a vested interest in governmental conspiracy theories. What is in it for the Republcans if they are in on it. If they are not, why arent they part of the group doubting OBL's death? |
Isn't it obvious? The Republicans (under Bush Jr.) are the ones who made Osama into the bogeyman and blamed him for everything under the sun. They would be the least likely to want him to be brought before a court to divulge his info. But I doubt there was any question of that ever happening, seeing as the Bin Ladens are such close family friends with the Bush family.
Beyond that, the two party system is a total sham anyway; they're all the same. |
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jrwhite82
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| But to me, the evidence overwhelming points to OBL being killed. |
How could the evidence "overwhelmingly" point to anything? What evidence? All you're doing is taking the president's word for it. Same goes for anyone else who says they believe it (ie. most of your so-called "sources"). That's literally all you are doing.
I've provided a plethora of other sources besides just Obama and you keep ignoring them. I'm done with this point of the argument.
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| I understand your point about not getting to see the body. But do you think it would be a good idea to hang OBL in the national mall so every school kid can whack him with a stick to make sure he's really dead? |
His body should be cross examined to confirm it was really him, with photos. It should all be available info.
If the lawsuit bringing the FIA into play gets its way, we will know soon enough.
More than that, if it really were him they shouldn't have shot him. They should have made every possible effort to capture him alive to get info from (if he's really the criminal mastermind they claim he is). To do otherwise is practically criminal negligence.
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| Do you really think that all the Senators who have been shown the pictures of his body are also lying. |
I really think the senators are either lying or possibly just nodded their head in agreement at some pictures they saw. How are they qualified to determine if they were real pictures or not? They're not.
I'm sure they're given more than a 8x10 in an unlabeled manilla envelope. Come on now.
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| (and just claiming that they've lied before isn't really an argument. |
Yeah, it really is. I'm not talking about Slick Willy lying about receiving blow-jobs or something mundane. I'm talking about a government that deliberately lied to take the country to an illegal war. They blamed it all on Osama, the man they claimed they have now killed and destroyed all traces of. No capture, no account from him, not even any proof that they killed him. Nothing. We cannot simply take their word on it. |
I actually agree with you that they should release the pictures. But at the same time, I don't think it will change anything. First, the CT's will say they're fake or from 2001 when they think we originally killed them. Or they will say it doesn't explain away the idea that he was frozen in a hangar in Afghanistan. How hard could it be to unthaw a body, transport it via stealth helicopter, lay it on a bed, shoot it in the head, spray some stage blood on it and take a picture of it? How hard could it be to stage DNA evidence? They claim they forged the moon landing and JFK videos, so how hard could it be to forge these videos? Right? So arguing it any further with CT's is pointless. And it's foolish of the government to think that terrorists want to kill Americans any less while there are no OBL death pictures. They want to kill us pictures or not. I'm starting to feel like a CT myself in regards to the pictures.  I've seen quite a few "leaked" photos. One was from BAcaspers Pak Observer article. It shows a "nighvision" shot of OBL dead with a Seal sitting over his body smiling. That photo is actually a composite made from an older photo where they shopped in OBL. |
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Abe Scrap
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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My question is if there is so much circumstantial evidence that would warrant OBL not being killed why dont the Republicans explore this?
Government conspiracies benefit both parties or both parties have a vested interest in governmental conspiracy theories. What is in it for the Republcans if they are in on it. If they are not, why arent they part of the group doubting OBL's death? |
Isn't it obvious? The Republicans (under Bush Jr.) are the ones who made Osama into the bogeyman and blamed him for everything under the sun. They would be the least likely to want him to be brought before a court to divulge his info. But I doubt there was any question of that ever happening, seeing as the Bin Ladens are such close family friends with the Bush family.
Beyond that, the two party system is a total sham anyway; they're all the same. |
Wouldn't the Dems get more politial capital from outting the fact that he was created by the Republicans? It doesn't make sense to continue the lie since exposing the original lie would guarantee them power and the decline of the Republican party.
I do agree that both parties are a sham to some extent. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
My question is if there is so much circumstantial evidence that would warrant OBL not being killed why dont the Republicans explore this?
Government conspiracies benefit both parties or both parties have a vested interest in governmental conspiracy theories. What is in it for the Republcans if they are in on it. If they are not, why arent they part of the group doubting OBL's death? |
Isn't it obvious? The Republicans (under Bush Jr.) are the ones who made Osama into the bogeyman and blamed him for everything under the sun. They would be the least likely to want him to be brought before a court to divulge his info. But I doubt there was any question of that ever happening, seeing as the Bin Ladens are such close family friends with the Bush family.
Beyond that, the two party system is a total sham anyway; they're all the same. |
Wouldn't the Dems get more politial capital from outting the fact that he was created by the Republicans? It doesn't make sense to continue the lie since exposing the original lie would guarantee them power and the decline of the Republican party. |
The Dems were in on it too. How many of them voted to go to war in Iraq and for the police state measures etc etc?
The point is also that you can't undermine one party too much without fundamentally discrediting the federal government altogether. The two parties bounce off each other to fool the public into believing there's a real debate going on. In fact both parties continue the overall agenda, while spouting out different rhetoric.
Finally, Obama has gotten plenty of political credit by getting to look tough (ie. photo ops, speeches at ground zero, reading a bunch of crap from his teleprompter).
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| I do agree that both parties are a sham to some extent. |
They have the same overall agenda and work for the same special interests. |
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Who said OBL died of kidney failure? |
Among others, Dr. Richard Devereux was quoted in Salon online magazine in 2001:
[i]"He is Marfanoid," says Dr. Richard Devereux, a clinician who treats patients with the illness at the Weill Cornell Medical Center in New York. "He seems to have long fingers and long arms. His head appears to be elongated and his face narrow ... It's certainly conceivable that he has the Marfan syndrome and could be evaluated for it." |
ooorrrrrr...
the good doctor just needs to adjust his monitor resolution. lol |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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ooorrrrrr...
the good doctor just needs to adjust his monitor resolution. lol |
Is that your expert opinion? |
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