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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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Agreed. They wouldn't do this back home but it's OK to do stuff like this here? |
Are you joking? Do you really for a second think that people in their early twenties don't do stupid crap like this back home? I can't believe you are this naive. |
In Canada, the U.S and Britain (not to mention other Western countries) drinking with open containers in public transport is illegal. So yeah unless they are from a country (unlikely) where that is legal...they wouldn't be doing this back home. |
You just brown bag it instead. At least on the Chicago commuter trains I have ridden, I can't speak to other places |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
| It's the same thing as smoking on the street or stealing beer mugs... it's really dumb and bad for you if you get caught, but you do it because you're young and your friends will probably be impressed. It's also phenomenally rude and embarrassing for you later in life... even though you don't regret it. |
Unless you live in Montreal and there's no catching to be had. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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So remember, kiddies - everyone likes a drink, but no-one likes a drunk.  |
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DaeguKid
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 1:30 am Post subject: |
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| They are acting like a bunch of losers. It is inappropriate behaviour for the subway in Korea. A loser is a loser. They are acting like losers. I for one am glad it made the media. If a bunch of a Koreans got on the soju in the middle of the subway aisle playing go-stop in my hometown, I for one would not mind them getting called on it. Smarten up people. Stop looking like a loser. |
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RangerMcGreggor
Joined: 12 Jan 2011
Location: Somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 1:43 am Post subject: |
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| In aggregate, sure. But you won't see one isolated, relatively minor incident of rude behavior make the nightly news. |
Depends if there are pictures/youtube video.
People get beat by the police all the time, but the only time it makes the papers is if there are pics/video of the incident.
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Did you catch the "relatively minor" part? An isolated incident will make the news if it's something serious caught on film (woman beating on a teenager, man groping young woman) but minor things (man puking in a subway car, man peeing in subway car) do not.
Don't try to sidestep the reality that the reason this particular incident circulated so widely in Korean online news is because it involved foreigners, not because of the severity or high occurrence of the act. |
Minor events do get in the news, even from Koreans. A couple years ago there was a fairly big story about a woman whose dog took a dump on the subway and didn't clean it up. The media reported it and the netizens went all crazy on the girl.
http://populargusts.blogspot.com/2005/07/dog-poop-girl-redux.html
From what I understand, the media mostly focused on the netizen attack and not the girl itself, but this stuff gets media attention and/or extreme internet reaction. Netizens can be incredibly nasty to everyone. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| RangerMcGreggor wrote: |
| DIsbell wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
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| In aggregate, sure. But you won't see one isolated, relatively minor incident of rude behavior make the nightly news. |
Depends if there are pictures/youtube video.
People get beat by the police all the time, but the only time it makes the papers is if there are pics/video of the incident.
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Did you catch the "relatively minor" part? An isolated incident will make the news if it's something serious caught on film (woman beating on a teenager, man groping young woman) but minor things (man puking in a subway car, man peeing in subway car) do not.
Don't try to sidestep the reality that the reason this particular incident circulated so widely in Korean online news is because it involved foreigners, not because of the severity or high occurrence of the act. |
Minor events do get in the news, even from Koreans. A couple years ago there was a fairly big story about a woman whose dog took a dump on the subway and didn't clean it up. The media reported it and the netizens went all crazy on the girl.
http://populargusts.blogspot.com/2005/07/dog-poop-girl-redux.html
From what I understand, the media mostly focused on the netizen attack and not the girl itself, but this stuff gets media attention and/or extreme internet reaction. Netizens can be incredibly nasty to everyone. |
Precisely.
This kind of stuff makes it to the news for Koreans too.
These morons got caught on tape/camera doing something so incredibly dumb that they deserve the spolight being turned on them. But calm down Dis, chances are these one-celled organisms think all this attention is funny.
It is afterall one big frat party and since they ain't "home" who cares right? |
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DIsbell
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 5:33 am Post subject: |
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The news related to dog poop girl was the intense netizen reaction, otherwise it wouldn't be notable. Piss, feces, vomit, booze, rudeness, etc are relatively common on the subway, but the netizen reaction was noteworthy and also relates to the greater netizen phenomenon in Korea (linkable to stories like Tablo-birthers, etc).
Whereas in this incident involving the floor-poker players, the news was about playing poker on the subway floor (with some lovely "stand up to foreigners" jingo thrown in there). Facts and figures do not match up to any supposed greater issue of foreigner crime or misbehavior; there's nothing particularly noteworthy about the incident. So why did it make so many rounds on web outlets as well as MBN? Take a guess.
Before you tell me to calm down (a bit of an immature approach to discussion; you're a flick of the caps lock key away from "YOU MAD"), consider that I'm not frothing at the mouth about some pervasive, omnipresent campaign by the Korean media to make whiteys look bad. I'm just calling this particular story out on it's lack of professionalism and overall un-newsworthiness.
And while I don't seem to be bothered as much by the act as many of you are, I wouldn't even try to argue that playing poker on the subway floor in Korea while drinking beer isn't completely classless/tactless/whatever. But newsworthy? Hell no. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| The people playing cards are being obnoxious and rude. Period. But obnoxious, rude behavior takes place on the subway every day (it just doesn't make the news). |
As I've mentioned before, rude behaviour does often make it onto the Korean news. |
In aggregate, sure. But you won't see one isolated, relatively minor incident of rude behavior make the nightly news.
Did you see a news report about the guy who vomited on a packed Jungang Line train on Friday night? Nearly cleared out a whole car.
Of course you didn't. |
Nope. The recording of a girl arguing with an old lady made it into the news all on its own. |
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cert43
Joined: 17 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:04 am Post subject: |
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Yeah it's a little immature  |
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DIsbell
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
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| flakfizer wrote: |
| The people playing cards are being obnoxious and rude. Period. But obnoxious, rude behavior takes place on the subway every day (it just doesn't make the news). |
As I've mentioned before, rude behaviour does often make it onto the Korean news. |
In aggregate, sure. But you won't see one isolated, relatively minor incident of rude behavior make the nightly news.
Did you see a news report about the guy who vomited on a packed Jungang Line train on Friday night? Nearly cleared out a whole car.
Of course you didn't. |
Nope. The recording of a girl arguing with an old lady made it into the news all on its own. |
Are you talking about the recording of the the girl arguing with the old lady who proceeded to beat on the girl and pull her hair? If you are, then you're trying awfully hard to frame that as something minor rather than an assault. Also, that lady had built up a reputation for repeatedly badgering people on a stretch of line two. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| Before you tell me to calm down (a bit of an immature approach to discussion; you're a flick of the caps lock key away from "YOU MAD"), consider that I'm not frothing at the mouth about some pervasive, omnipresent campaign by the Korean media to make whiteys look bad. I'm just calling this particular story out on it's lack of professionalism and overall un-newsworthiness. |
I did not think you were frothing at the mouth. It was just a comment, sorry you took it the wrong way.
The story is not a story, it is media using idiotic behavior to "sell copy" or "get ratings". I would not confuse this report about a bunch of morons with an actual news story. With that type of thing, there is no profesionalism, its about shocking and gettting those ratings.
There are layers here no? Professionalism, when we are lucky anywhere with world media, is reserved for actual news stories (war, natural disaster, political even, big issues...). Otherwise its simple: "if it bleeds it leads".
This was a perfect example: morons behaving like retards on the subway: publish it and it gets people talking and gets ratings.
Korean woman's dog pooping on the subway: it will get people talking, get ratings. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 11:45 am Post subject: |
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| Before you tell me to calm down (a bit of an immature approach to discussion; you're a flick of the caps lock key away from "YOU MAD"), consider that I'm not frothing at the mouth about some pervasive, omnipresent campaign by the Korean media to make whiteys look bad. I'm just calling this particular story out on it's lack of professionalism and overall un-newsworthiness. |
I did not think you were frothing at the mouth. It was just a comment, sorry you took it the wrong way.
The story is not a story, it is media using idiotic behavior to "sell copy" or "get ratings". I would not confuse this report about a bunch of morons with an actual news story. With that type of thing, there is no profesionalism, its about shocking and gettting those ratings.
There are layers here no? Professionalism, when we are lucky anywhere with world media, is reserved for actual news stories (war, natural disaster, political even, big issues...). Otherwise its simple: "if it bleeds it leads".
This was a perfect example: morons behaving like retards on the subway: publish it and it gets people talking and gets ratings.
Korean woman's dog pooping on the subway: it will get people talking, get ratings. |
I really don't think what they did was really a huge deal. However, it's illegal to do that in the U.S. and Canada. A lot of these guys feel since Korea has no open container law, and they really want to act in ways they can't back home, so they do it. Of course, in some more liberal towns in North America, you will see guys with open containers walking about, but they are taking a risk. The newspapers want to use the bad behavior of some foreigners for rantings. I am sure we can see plenty of bad acting Koreans who never make the news. People want to sell papers and prejudice does sell, unfortunately. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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There are plenty of bad Koreans who DO make the news, sometimes even for "minor" things.
There are plenty of foreigners who don't make the news, sometimes even for "major" things.
If there is video/pictures, no matter who is involved, it significantly increases the likelihood that the story will be picked up. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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In aggregate, sure. But you won't see one isolated, relatively minor incident of rude behavior make the nightly news. |
I've seen some amazingly trivial things shown on the nightly news, like an ajumma caught shoplifting a scarf. They devoted several minutes to that story, showing CCTV footage, interviewing store employees, delving into the thief's background, etc. Let's face it. Korea is a small country and there's going to be many days with no newsworthy stories. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| DIsbell wrote: |
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| The people playing cards are being obnoxious and rude. Period. But obnoxious, rude behavior takes place on the subway every day (it just doesn't make the news). |
As I've mentioned before, rude behaviour does often make it onto the Korean news. |
In aggregate, sure. But you won't see one isolated, relatively minor incident of rude behavior make the nightly news.
Did you see a news report about the guy who vomited on a packed Jungang Line train on Friday night? Nearly cleared out a whole car.
Of course you didn't. |
Nope. The recording of a girl arguing with an old lady made it into the news all on its own. |
Are you talking about the recording of the the girl arguing with the old lady who proceeded to beat on the girl and pull her hair? If you are, then you're trying awfully hard to frame that as something minor rather than an assault. Also, that lady had built up a reputation for repeatedly badgering people on a stretch of line two. |
The point is that bad subway behaviour makes it into the news. This particular piece is nothing special, and while it may be lingering here, has all but disappeared from the Korean news.
It was a minor blip that got minor attention... and now it's gone. |
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