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J.B. Clamence
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| Oh, and Clemens, I think Fonz has stated elsewhere he is an American, and some kind of Republican at that. |
That doesn't matter. Some of the biggest America-bashers I've come across are Americans. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Although he doesn't use abusive language, Fonzi is our most angry poster, the indignities of the world seem to knaw at his soul unceasingly, he's going to die early of a coronary ... |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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Fonzi, were you one of the picked-on kids in school? I'm guessing.......
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| J.B. Clamence wrote: |
| The Bobster wrote: |
| Oh, and Clemens, I think Fonz has stated elsewhere he is an American, and some kind of Republican at that. |
That doesn't matter. Some of the biggest America-bashers I've come across are Americans. |
When Americans do it, it's not America-bashing. It's self-criticism and sometimes dissent, one of the highest callings of a citizen.
I didn't think he was bashing - just seemed a little clueless. That's a risk anyone takes when they ask a sincere question about something they honestly don't know.
And some of the answers people have given seemed a little clueless to me also. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh, and Clemens, I think Fonz has stated elsewhere he is an American, and some kind of Republican at that |
I heard Lyndon Lorouche is a registered democrat. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh, and Clemens, I think Fonz has stated elsewhere he is an American, and some kind of Republican at that. |
I doubt he ever was a Republican. The Fonz sounds more like the disingenuous breastbeaters I used to hear on talk radio back home. It would usually go something like this: "I'm a lifelong Republican and I have finally seen the light! It's high time we raise taxes, increase welfare benefits, ban all guns and abolish the death penalty."  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| no actually extremist libertarian would be more accurate. I've seem them they are not so nice. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| "I'm a lifelong Republican and I have finally seen the light! It's high time we raise taxes, increase welfare benefits, ban all guns and abolish the death penalty." |
The second two are not a matter of being dem or rep, just common sense. |
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J.B. Clamence
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 2:02 am Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
| When Americans do it, it's not America-bashing. It's self-criticism and sometimes dissent, one of the highest callings of a citizen. |
I agree that there's a difference, but I disagree that the only determination is the nationality of the commentator. I define "America-bashing" as an obsession to rip on the U.S., which causes people to go out of their way to look for things to criticize without really thinking whether such criticism is justified. Anyone can do this, even Americans. I would never call such people "dissidents", even if they were Americans. That would be an insult to the real dissidents of the world.
Yes, there are dissidents out there, but they are usually intelligent enough to see the wrongs as well as the rights, and only criticize what they honestly feel is rationally worthy of criticism. And then there are the angry idiots who just like to bash because it makes them feel better. It is overly simplistic to try to divide the groups based solely on whether or not they are Americans. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| I heard Lyndon Lorouche is a registered democrat. |
Yes, LaRouche has actually run for president as an "Independent Democrat" several times, though I do recall in the mid 80s he was a big backer of Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative, and was instructing his followers to either support Reagan or LaRouche for president. As well, LaRouche is also hostile to the neo-cons, probably a bit of resentment on his part that some his ex-trotskyite comrades wound up with better career gigs than him. |
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Mankind
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This is about the worst Troll I've ever seen. Please don't feed the immature or stupid.
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lush72
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This is about the worst Troll I've ever seen. Please don't feed the immature or stupid.
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har!har! |
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The Bobster
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| J.B. Clamence wrote: |
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| When Americans do it, it's not America-bashing. It's self-criticism and sometimes dissent, one of the highest callings of a citizen. |
I agree that there's a difference, but I disagree that the only determination is the nationality of the commentator. I define "America-bashing" as an obsession to rip on the U.S., which causes people to go out of their way to look for things to criticize without really thinking whether such criticism is justified. Anyone can do this, even Americans. I would never call such people "dissidents", even if they were Americans. That would be an insult to the real dissidents of the world.
Yes, there are dissidents out there, but they are usually intelligent enough to see the wrongs as well as the rights, and only criticize what they honestly feel is rationally worthy of criticism. And then there are the angry idiots who just like to bash because it makes them feel better. It is overly simplistic to try to divide the groups based solely on whether or not they are Americans. |
I was only mostly serious. Try this.
Criticizing the US (or another country) is something you have to earn, and the way you earn it is with love. I��ve met plenty who are not Americans who qualify, and a few who are who don��t. |
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