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bucheon bum
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| caniff wrote: |
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This is why I fly Delta. Both ways they've been absolutely great to me- Business class upgrades, great attendants, not taking the standard fly near NK airspace route that sometimes happens.
Delta does Detroit and DTW proud. |
In my experience, Delta has improved in the last few years in terms of service, etc. However, I forgot what a dirty bathroom looked like until I flew with Delta last month.
Oh, and not to mention another Delta flight last month that malfunctioned in the air! Nothing like your plane's intruments not responding at 33,000 feet!  But we made it to the ground safely, so I guess you could say Delta has good pilots. I'd fly Delta again. |
You realize of course that typically the navigator punches in a destination and the pilot hits a takeoff button and they pretty much play with themselves/sleep during the flight, right? It's computer-controlled from take-off to landing.
Losing instruments IS a concern, I'll give you that, but that doesn't mean that a human was actually flying the plane. |
You're just a pilot hater aren't you? |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| caniff wrote: |
| Jane wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
This is why I fly Delta. Both ways they've been absolutely great to me- Business class upgrades, great attendants, not taking the standard fly near NK airspace route that sometimes happens.
Delta does Detroit and DTW proud. |
In my experience, Delta has improved in the last few years in terms of service, etc. However, I forgot what a dirty bathroom looked like until I flew with Delta last month.
Oh, and not to mention another Delta flight last month that malfunctioned in the air! Nothing like your plane's intruments not responding at 33,000 feet! But we made it to the ground safely, so I guess you could say Delta has good pilots. I'd fly Delta again. |
You realize of course that typically the navigator punches in a destination and the pilot hits a takeoff button and they pretty much play with themselves/sleep during the flight, right? It's computer-controlled from take-off to landing.
Losing instruments IS a concern, I'll give you that, but that doesn't mean that a human was actually flying the plane. |
You're just a pilot hater aren't you? |
That did come off a little harsh. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 6:28 am Post subject: |
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Not to mention the pilot does a heck of a lot more than push the auto-pilot button and sit back.  |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Obviously, the Kims did not know about Korea Air's new policy of documents requiring notarization and apostille. It's the Kim's fault for not doing their homework on what is required to enter korea..... |
Maybe if they had been in First Class, then it would have been ok. Like an E-1 Visa. |
She should have applied for an F-4. I guess they thought you can spread cancer or it's something Western, so she shouldn't come. It almost feels like a human rights violation. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Not to mention the pilot does a heck of a lot more than push the auto-pilot button and sit back. |
Okay, Homer - let's dance. I spent months teaching commercial pilots while in Korea (and I realize I was exaggerating to make a point - to some extent) so I heard quite a bit from folks that actually do the job in question, but why don't you enlighten us as to exactly what is typically required of pilots between take-off and landing?
(I mean, besides making passenger announcements and speaking to the airport towers and such.)
I generally stick to the CE forum - except of late for whatever reason - but I'll try to check back here soon for your response. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
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| Not to mention the pilot does a heck of a lot more than push the auto-pilot button and sit back. |
Okay, Homer - let's dance. I spent months teaching commercial pilots while in Korea (and I realize I was exaggerating to make a point - to some extent) so I heard quite a bit from folks that actually do the job in question, but why don't you enlighten us as to exactly what is typically required of pilots between take-off and landing?
(I mean, besides making passenger announcements and speaking to the airport towers and such.)
I generally stick to the CE forum - except of late for whatever reason - but I'll try to check back here soon for your response. |
Not a pilot, know no pilots personally either.
I just think (thats called an opinion) that while planes are becoming more and more automated, pilots still do a bit more than push the auto pilot, sit back and sip coffee.
I am sure their jobs have changed a lot over the years with planes becoming more sophisticated however.
As for between take off and landing, I will take a shot in the dark and assume pilots check on weather patterns, make course adjustments, communicate with destination airports about conditions there, check on equipment, run systems check...who knows. I would also assume they are there to take over in case of emergencies or to make certain decisions about the flight that the onboard computer is unable to do.
By the way, no need to overreact caniff, it was just a comment....  |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| caniff wrote: |
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| Not to mention the pilot does a heck of a lot more than push the auto-pilot button and sit back. |
Okay, Homer - let's dance. I spent months teaching commercial pilots while in Korea (and I realize I was exaggerating to make a point - to some extent) so I heard quite a bit from folks that actually do the job in question, but why don't you enlighten us as to exactly what is typically required of pilots between take-off and landing?
(I mean, besides making passenger announcements and speaking to the airport towers and such.)
I generally stick to the CE forum - except of late for whatever reason - but I'll try to check back here soon for your response. |
Not a pilot, know no pilots personally either.
I just think (thats called an opinion).. |
This is where I stopped reading. Have a nice weekend, Homer. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I wonder if caniff can land a plane on the Hudson River? |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| I wonder if caniff can land a plane on the Hudson River? |
Indeed.
I assume he would just press the auto pilot button, sip some coffee and wait for the plane to land itself on the Hudson.
Then there was that Air Transat flight a few years ago where the pilot glided the commercial airliner for 300 miles and landed safely after his plane suffered catastrophic fuel loss and loss of electronics.
Maybe George the inflatable auto pilot would have come in handy then... |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| caniff wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Not to mention the pilot does a heck of a lot more than push the auto-pilot button and sit back. |
Okay, Homer - let's dance. I spent months teaching commercial pilots while in Korea (and I realize I was exaggerating to make a point - to some extent) so I heard quite a bit from folks that actually do the job in question, but why don't you enlighten us as to exactly what is typically required of pilots between take-off and landing?
(I mean, besides making passenger announcements and speaking to the airport towers and such.)
I generally stick to the CE forum - except of late for whatever reason - but I'll try to check back here soon for your response. |
Not a pilot, know no pilots personally either.
I just think (thats called an opinion).. |
This is where I stopped reading. Have a nice weekend, Homer. |
All is well. |
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minos
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
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| Not to mention the pilot does a heck of a lot more than push the auto-pilot button and sit back. |
Okay, Homer - let's dance. I spent months teaching commercial pilots while in Korea (and I realize I was exaggerating to make a point - to some extent) so I heard quite a bit from folks that actually do the job in question, but why don't you enlighten us as to exactly what is typically required of pilots between take-off and landing?
(I mean, besides making passenger announcements and speaking to the airport towers and such.)
I generally stick to the CE forum - except of late for whatever reason - but I'll try to check back here soon for your response. |
Your right, they can cruise...but it's hardly "computer" controlled. It's not gonna handle turbulence or turn. Flying itself is not difficult once the settings are made and your going in a straight line....Pappy boyington (ww2 ace) said he used to sleep while flying to mission destinations. |
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CtotheB
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caniff
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| minos wrote: |
| caniff wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Not to mention the pilot does a heck of a lot more than push the auto-pilot button and sit back. |
Okay, Homer - let's dance. I spent months teaching commercial pilots while in Korea (and I realize I was exaggerating to make a point - to some extent) so I heard quite a bit from folks that actually do the job in question, but why don't you enlighten us as to exactly what is typically required of pilots between take-off and landing?
(I mean, besides making passenger announcements and speaking to the airport towers and such.)
I generally stick to the CE forum - except of late for whatever reason - but I'll try to check back here soon for your response. |
Your right, they can cruise...but it's hardly "computer" controlled. It's not gonna handle turbulence or turn. Flying itself is not difficult once the settings are made and your going in a straight line....Pappy boyington (ww2 ace) said he used to sleep while flying to mission destinations. |
As Bucheon Bum said I'm coming off like a pilot-hater here, but that just ain't so. I realize they have training in how to handle emergency situations (hours in flight simulators and tests, what-have-you) so I'm glad planes have humans in the cockpit along with the computerization.
To the pilots of the world: Mea culpa.
(Homer's style has a tendency to stick in my craw though, so when he's involved in disagreeing with me I sometimes feel compelled to double-down even when I know I'm on thin ice. But he also is aware of this process and I guess that's just the way of the world.) |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| minos wrote: |
| caniff wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Not to mention the pilot does a heck of a lot more than push the auto-pilot button and sit back. |
Okay, Homer - let's dance. I spent months teaching commercial pilots while in Korea (and I realize I was exaggerating to make a point - to some extent) so I heard quite a bit from folks that actually do the job in question, but why don't you enlighten us as to exactly what is typically required of pilots between take-off and landing?
(I mean, besides making passenger announcements and speaking to the airport towers and such.)
I generally stick to the CE forum - except of late for whatever reason - but I'll try to check back here soon for your response. |
Your right, they can cruise...but it's hardly "computer" controlled. It's not gonna handle turbulence or turn. Flying itself is not difficult once the settings are made and your going in a straight line....Pappy boyington (ww2 ace) said he used to sleep while flying to mission destinations. |
As Bucheon Bum said I'm coming off like a pilot-hater here, but that just ain't so. I realize they have training in how to handle emergency situations (hours in flight simulators and tests, what-have-you) so I'm glad planes have humans in the cockpit along with the computerization.
To the pilots of the world: Mea culpa.
(Homer's style has a tendency to stick in my craw though, so when he's involved in disagreeing with me I sometimes feel compelled to double-down even when I know I'm on thin ice. But he also is aware of this process and I guess that's just the way of the world.) |
Ok..ok...I went fishing on this one and you bit down. sorry Caniff but I did owe you one on that account
Have a nice week.  |
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WoBW
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 5:27 am Post subject: |
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Pilots generally handle the take-off manually, then switch to autopilot for the cruise. Navigation is all done by GPS so all the waypoints are entered into the navigation computer. The plane can then make course changes according to the prescribed route.
Here's the thing: pilots usually take over manual control for landing even though the autopilot can make automatic landings with CATIII equipped airports. So why do it manually? Because they need to remain current. What if, for whatever reason, the APPR function on the autopilot failed and the pilot hadn't done a manual landing in years? Bad news. So they do manual landings to keep their hand in. |
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