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sojusucks



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 5:21 am    Post subject: Seoul considers raising subway fares Reply with quote

http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20110519000618

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Seoul is planning to raise subway fares by as much as 20 percent in an effort to cut the system�s deficit, officials said on Thursday.

According to the Seoul Metropolitan Government, they are considering raising the base fare by 100 to 200 won to stem this year�s estimated deficit of more than 574 billion won ($530 million) for lines 1 through 8.
Seoul Metro, operators of lines 1 through 4 and the Seoul Metropolitan Rapid Transit, lines 5 through 8, estimate a combined deficit of more than 2.2 trillion won from 2007 to 2011.

�We are actively negotiating with Incheon and Gyeonggi Province officials about raising the subway fare, and have also proposed measures to the government about raising the age of senior citizens who may ride for free, or receiving compensation from the administration,� said city officials.

Province and city officials started discussions last year.

This will be the first price increase since April 2007, when the base subway fare was raised from 800 won to 900 won.

The city originally planned to raise the fare by 100 won every two years, but withheld the decision to raise prices in 2009 and 2010 after considering the economic downturn.

�Since there is nothing I can do about a price increase, I can�t say I am against it,� said a Seoulite who commutes from Gyeonggi Province everyday.

Officials are also looking to raise the age of senior citizens who ride the system for free, from 65 years old to 70.

This will help cut the loss from those who ride the system for free by 40 to 50 percent, which according to officials was over 222 billion won last year.

The subway system has lost more than 1.5 trillion won since 2006 to those designated to ride for free, including senior citizens, the handicapped and men of national merit.

�The average fair for an individual, including those who ride for free, is only 66 percent, 736 won, of the cost to run the system per person at 1,120 won,� said officials.

The official also said that reducing the deficit of the system is a clear indicator of why the fare has to be raised and that the loss due to those who ride for free is too high.

By Robert Lee ([email protected])



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sojusucks



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Free ridership for seniors sounds like a noble idea but, in practice, it is impractical and too expensive. If the budget deficit comes from providing too many free rides to older Koreans then show some courage and limit those free rides. Many of them seem to ride because they have nothing else to do. They take up seats and space, especially during rush hour. There probably won't be much sympathy for many of the older riders because of the way that so many of them conduct themselves on the subway. The older men, (ajoshis), are too often drunk and the ajummas can be rude and obnoxious.
If they need a ride to a job or to the hospital, then there should be a way to allow them to receive free subway cards. But if they just want to get drunk and ride the subway all day for free and ruin trips for those who actually pay, then that's just gotta stop. Like I said, you can have all of the sympathy you want for them, but that ajumma who ran you over, knocked you into next week with an elbow, or who spent the entire subway ride glaring at you, also expects you to pay extra for her to ride for free. That should stop. That's not just a "foreigner" thing- many younger Koreans feel the same way.
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PigeonFart



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Seoul public transport system is staggeringly inexpensive. A ten or twenty percent increase would still result in a cheap and efficient public transport system. If only other cities had such a good system.
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sojusucks



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PigeonFart wrote:
The Seoul public transport system is staggeringly inexpensive. A ten or twenty percent increase would still result in a cheap and efficient public transport system. If only other cities had such a good system.


It is relatively cheap to ride and they need to keep it that way. That's why they need to stand up to those who are draining the financial system for political benefit. If anyone reads the article you'll see who is doing that.
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NSMatt



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PigeonFart wrote:
The Seoul public transport system is staggeringly inexpensive. A ten or twenty percent increase would still result in a cheap and efficient public transport system. If only other cities had such a good system.


Indeed. It's nonsensical to run a deficit when the fare could be raised without causing financial hardship to the general public.
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DaHu



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NSMatt wrote:
PigeonFart wrote:
The Seoul public transport system is staggeringly inexpensive. A ten or twenty percent increase would still result in a cheap and efficient public transport system. If only other cities had such a good system.


Indeed. It's nonsensical to run a deficit when the fare could be raised without causing financial hardship to the general public.


It WOULD cause financial hardship to people. Who said it wouldn't?
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hogwonguy1979



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lets see a 200 won increase would raise my commuting expense by 1600 won/week I aint complaining. Its one of the best bargains in Korea or heck the world. My family in NYC would kill for these fares

yeah given longer life spans maybe they should raise the senior free fare age to 70 does make sense, dont think people over 65 ride for free in the states so why not here
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daunting



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NSMatt wrote:
PigeonFart wrote:
The Seoul public transport system is staggeringly inexpensive. A ten or twenty percent increase would still result in a cheap and efficient public transport system. If only other cities had such a good system.


Indeed. It's nonsensical to run a deficit when the fare could be raised without causing financial hardship to the general public.


Almost all public transit systems run a deficit -- it's usually a matter of cutting one's losses.
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Jane



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some subway systems around the world employ a 'peak hour' fare scheme, which at time can be confusing, but could mean increased revenues.
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Hugo85



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojusucks wrote:
Free ridership for seniors sounds like a noble idea but, in practice, it is impractical and too expensive. If the budget deficit comes from providing too many free rides to older Koreans then show some courage and limit those free rides. Many of them seem to ride because they have nothing else to do. They take up seats and space, especially during rush hour. There probably won't be much sympathy for many of the older riders because of the way that so many of them conduct themselves on the subway. The older men, (ajoshis), are too often drunk and the ajummas can be rude and obnoxious.
If they need a ride to a job or to the hospital, then there should be a way to allow them to receive free subway cards. But if they just want to get drunk and ride the subway all day for free and ruin trips for those who actually pay, then that's just gotta stop. Like I said, you can have all of the sympathy you want for them, but that ajumma who ran you over, knocked you into next week with an elbow, or who spent the entire subway ride glaring at you, also expects you to pay extra for her to ride for free. That should stop. That's not just a "foreigner" thing- many younger Koreans feel the same way.


I think the age of "elderness" should not be raised, but that a tariff should be charged. Not a full tariff, but a tariff nevertheless. That would cut the losses, allow the elders to ride the subway for cheap and cut down on useless rides.
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yeti08



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With Korea's aging society I feel the free ride given to the elderly would sting especially in the coming years. A reduced rate would be fair enough and I like idea of a raised rate during "rush" hours. Still not sure about what some of those are.
On another note, I hate when schools use the subway as a mode of transportation for school trips. Especially during peak times. Rent a bus, use a bus, something other than clogging the trains with loud kids. Sheesh we see enough of them already.
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jinks



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hogwonguy1979 wrote:
yeah given longer life spans maybe they should raise the senior free fare age to 70 does make sense, dont think people over 65 ride for free in the states so why not here

People over 65 ride for free on public transport in New Zealand, but only outside of peak commuter times.
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Mr. BlackCat



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojusucks wrote:
Free ridership for seniors sounds like a noble idea but, in practice, it is impractical and too expensive. If the budget deficit comes from providing too many free rides to older Koreans then show some courage and limit those free rides. Many of them seem to ride because they have nothing else to do. They take up seats and space, especially during rush hour.


I used to live on the gree line and every Sunday go do sports on another green line stop. It was exactly halfway, meaning I could go either way and it would be the same amount of stops/time. Each way very, very few people would get up from the seats. Like I said, this is exactly halfway so there is no reason to be on the subway that long. It was older people, engaged in conversation, eating kimbap, etc. By the evening it settled down, but go on the subway during the aft on any other day and you'll see it similar, though not as extreme as Sunday afternoons. Public transit is definitely a social place for the elderly in Seoul. I normally would support a free fare for the elderly but if they treat it like a hof then they should pay the 80cents. However, I don't think a slight guess ridership isn't their problem. rise in fares for everyone is terrible. It's totally worth the money.
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Chalmers



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But, are they giving away chicken dinners or costco memberships? Laughing
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atwood



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give senior citizens a discount, but not a completely free ride.

And cut the spending on new maps etc. in the cars when the old ones are perfectly good. And why install new monitors every 5 meters or so along the platform? There is a lot of waste that could be cut.

I think it's hard to justify raising fares when you're extending so many lines and increasing ridership and thus lowering the quality of the service you're providing. Charging more for less is what they're trying to do.
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