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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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 Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:54 am Post subject: Re: Russian - As big as English? |
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| ssuprnova wrote: |
| Interesting, I never considered Russian to be useful for anything besides being able to read the Russian Realists in the original. That being said, it would be pretty awesome to get a job at a Russian hagwon (it's one of my primary languages). |
Found one. Puskin House right in central Seoul.
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PS: don't want to be a dick but gorod is masculine, hence it would take the masculine ending making it velikii (normal u and then the short one). Although judging from the context you might have wanted to say velikolepnyi. Happy learning, it's a beautiful, albeit difficult, language  |
Russian feminine declension for adjectives is easier for anyone's brain. I'm still confused with the masculine declensions.
I went to a British school in Moscow. And it seems that those British schools in Eastern Europe are having a hard time hiring quality teachers during Yeltsin's time and even right now. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:59 am Post subject: Re: Russian - As big as English? |
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| joyorbison wrote: |
| "NohopeSeriously"? With that name, have to think this is a troll. If not... wow. You go to church so you must be gullible, but... wow. |
Lol. Tell that to my church members.  |
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fustiancorduroy
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| SinclairLondon wrote: |
You guys are missing a big point: the Russian/Korean translators aren't bilingual. They are trilingual, speaking English as well.
It doesn't matter if you speak Korean, Chinese, Japanese and Russian. English fluency is a basic requirement. |
I can't speak for Russian, but I know a Korean woman who works for an import/export firm. She speaks Chinese and Japanese quite well, in addition to her native Korean, but she hardly speaks any English. She seems to be doing quite well without it. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: Russian - As big as English? |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
| joyorbison wrote: |
| "NohopeSeriously"? With that name, have to think this is a troll. If not... wow. You go to church so you must be gullible, but... wow. |
Lol. Tell that to my church members. |
What would they do? Pray for him? Turn the other cheek? Scary stuff. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| fustiancorduroy wrote: |
| SinclairLondon wrote: |
You guys are missing a big point: the Russian/Korean translators aren't bilingual. They are trilingual, speaking English as well.
It doesn't matter if you speak Korean, Chinese, Japanese and Russian. English fluency is a basic requirement. |
I can't speak for Russian, but I know a Korean woman who works for an import/export firm. She speaks Chinese and Japanese quite well, in addition to her native Korean, but she hardly speaks any English. She seems to be doing quite well without it. |
I think Koreans are better at the Asian languages like Chinese and Japanese, and well, being fluent in Chinese can really open up a world of opportunities. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:11 am Post subject: |
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| SinclairLondon wrote: |
| It doesn't matter if you speak Korean, Chinese, Japanese and Russian. English fluency is a basic requirement. |
Then why do we see more Koreans who speak Chinese and Japanese than English?
English is still a tiny minority language among Korean speakers within the boundary of South Korea.
In fact, the majority of Koreans only knows test English (learning English for the sake of taking tests). |
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Modernist
Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Location: The 90s
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Russian, CHINESE, INDIAN, SPANISH, FRENCH!
will NEVER in our life time be more important than English.
English is here to stay..
As long as America is around, English will be the international language.
Foreigners must learn our language , we kind of get a free pass in that manner.
Of course knowing a second language is a good thing. but English is the only language that we truly need to know. and it's out mother tongue.. so SWEEEEEETT keeps us employed and well paid in ESL. |
Cocky, aren't we?
I'll bet in around 1500, EVERY smart, informed, educated European would agree that Latin is here to stay. If you want to get anywhere, succeed in the world, be educated, then by God you had better learn it.
'It's been used for 1000 years, it's not going anywhere!'
'As long as the Roman Catholic church is around, Latin will be the international language!'
Why would you bother learning German or French or Spanish, or that minor dialect of a rainy, rocky island off the coast when Latin would cover everything?
English is NOT the first international language, and it won't be the last. If you actually study the history of languages, you would see that change happens mercilessly fast; easily within one lifetime.
It's entirely possible that technology will render the idea of a lingua franca irrelevant anyway. Considering how much effort and expense there is for Koreans and most Asians to learn English, don't you think they will jump at any chance to avoid having to do it? Wouldn't they rather learn Mandarin if it came to have equal or greater benefits to them? |
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chungbukdo
Joined: 22 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Russian - As big as English? |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
| There are some rumors how Korean-Russian interpreters usually have a bigger salary than Korean-English interpreters. |
That is dependent on market supply and demand.
Punjabi translators and interpreters get paid a lot too, because of a recent interest in Pakistan and Northern India while qualified translators are lacking in supply. It doesn't mean this market is big, it means there is great demand relative to the small supply of translators.
If someone wants to make more in translating they need to position themselves into a market where there is not enough supply. There are millions of Koreans who have lived in English speaking countries or gyopos who know both languages. Therefore basic English translation will not pay a premium. However, many of these people cannot adequately translate important medical information or technical engineering documents. Those who do engineering or patent translation make a lot more because there is less of an abundance of people who can do such work.
The lesson here is that learning the most popular or influential language does not necessarily correlate with economic demand. The world needs millions of janitors yet since the supply is almost unlimited the wages are low. |
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chungbukdo
Joined: 22 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Modernist wrote: |
I'll bet in around 1500, EVERY smart, informed, educated European would agree that Latin is here to stay. If you want to get anywhere, succeed in the world, be educated, then by God you had better learn it.
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Weren't they absolutely correct?
I mean, in 1500 if I had learned latin as a 25 year old, I would have been able to use the lingua franca for the rest of my life (which would have been until 50 if I was lucky). I certainly wouldn't have lived for 300-400 more years to see it disappear unless I planned on getting cryogenicly frozen. |
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Modernist
Joined: 23 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:58 am Post subject: |
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| in 1500 if I had learned latin as a 25 year old, I would have been able to use the lingua franca for the rest of my life (which would have been until 50 if I was lucky). |
If you think that the pace of change in the world and its interconnectedness have stayed consistent for the last half a millennium, well, I would just have to disagree with you.
I don't doubt that those learning English today will continue to be able to usefully speak it during their lives. Hell, there are people today who would say that their knowledge of Latin remains useful.
My instinct, though, is that the demand for new English learning is set to plummet, sooner than those on this board [and this 'profession,' for that matter] are comfortable imagining.
The gush of jobs we all hold is dependent on a continuing belief among parents and the aspirational class globally that English is essential. That assumption is a fragile thing. Over the last century many similar assumptions have seemed incontrovertible right up to the point they collapsed. |
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cert43
Joined: 17 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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You wanna learn Russian? Well..then go to Russia  |
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Ruby Thursday
Joined: 29 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| You wanna learn Russian? Well..then go to Russia |
you go to Russia |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| You wanna learn Russian? Well..then go to Russia |
Why? Do you not teach privates? |
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cert43
Joined: 17 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:22 am Post subject: |
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Why would I go to Russia?Not a very nice place.
No privates here and you? |
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littlelisa
Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Koreadays wrote: |
Russian, CHINESE, INDIAN, SPANISH, FRENCH!
will NEVER in our life time be more important than English.
English is here to stay..
As long as America is around, English will be the international language.
Foreigners must learn our language , we kind of get a free pass in that manner.
Of course knowing a second language is a good thing. but English is the only language that we truly need to know. and it's out mother tongue.. so SWEEEEEETT keeps us employed and well paid in ESL. |
Well you're sure showing us about your language cred. I can totally believe what anyone says about languages once they talk about "Indian" as a language. I completely agree with all your views, of course, in face of such tremendous linguistic knowledge. Here I was under the impression that there was no language called Indian.
English might stay the lingua franca during our lifetimes, but history teaches us that no language stays the lingua franca forever. Some other language will gradually take over. And how could you know that some other language couldn't become as important as English during our lifetimes?
You seem like a really great person from your post. The kind of person anyone would go to for stimulating conversation.
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