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Koreadays
Joined: 20 May 2008
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 Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:47 am Post subject: Daesung, a member of the popular Korean boy band Big Bang |
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you thinks he will do no time because of his celebrity status?
even though he is guilty as sin!
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Daesung, a member of the popular Korean boy band Big Bang, was responsible for killing a motorcyclist on the Yanghwa Bridge when he ran over him in his Audi, police said.
But the motorcyclist was already fatally injured after drunkenly colliding with a lamp post, and police will recommend a charge of negligent homicide to prosecutors.
Kang Dae-sung, whose stage name is Daesung, was booked by police on May 31 after running over the male motorcyclist at the exit ramp of Yanghwa Bridge in northern Seoul at around 1 a.m. He also crashed into a taxi that had swerved to avoid the motorcylist�s body lying on road, and stopped to help. The taxi driver was slightly injured.
Yeongdeungpo police said yesterday that the victim, surnamed Hyun, had already suffered major injuries by driving his bike into a lamp post. Hyun�s blood alcohol level was found to be 0.168 percent. The legal limit is 0.05 percent.
The police had commissioned the National Forensic Service to conduct an autopsy.
According to the police, the autopsy results showed the main cause of Hyun�s death was being run over by Daesung.
�The bike driver sustained fatal injuries in the neck and forehead when he ran into the street lamp,� said Kim Chi-gwan, a police officer who investigated the case, �but he was still alive when Daesung accidentally ran over him. The motorcyclist got trapped under Daesung�s vehicle and died on the spot due to multiple injuries.�
Daesung did not see Hyun�s body on the road, police said, and was not drunk.
Earlier reports said Hyun�s motorcycle had been found propped up against a divider, suggesting another person was involved in the case. Those reports were erroneous, police said. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| Personally, I don't see why he should do time. He wasn't driving recklessly or under the influence. He hit a guy who was lying on the road already. He didn't flee the scene. Drunk drivers should do serious time. So should hit and run offenders. But this guy is neither. Just bad luck, it seems. Other than his music, I don't think he poses much of a threat to society. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| flakfizer wrote: |
| Personally, I don't see why he should do time. He wasn't driving recklessly or under the influence. He hit a guy who was lying on the road already. He didn't flee the scene. Drunk drivers should do serious time. So should hit and run offenders. But this guy is neither. Just bad luck, it seems. Other than his music, I don't think he poses much of a threat to society. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I've never really understood Korea's laws on traffic fatalities. |
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Koreadays
Joined: 20 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| flakfizer wrote: |
| Personally, I don't see why he should do time. He wasn't driving recklessly or under the influence. He hit a guy who was lying on the road already. He didn't flee the scene. Drunk drivers should do serious time. So should hit and run offenders. But this guy is neither. Just bad luck, it seems. Other than his music, I don't think he poses much of a threat to society. |
I beg to differ. he was driving recklessly as he didn't see the man laying on the road, next to a parked taxi and a taxi driver helping at the scene.
he drove straight into the taxi driver and the body laying on the ground.
to me that's reckless driving, how can you not see a taxi parked on the side of the road and guy and a motor bike and someone laying there???
he ran the guy over, and injured the cab driver...
KILLED THE GUY LAYING ON THE ROAD. yes he has to live with the fact he ended someone lifes... but.. a crime has been committed.
therefore justice must be done..
he needs to compensate the family and he needs to pay a fine, have his license revoked and do time...
if it was anyone else time would be served for negligence homicide.
if there are other people in jail for the same crime.. then TIME MUST BE SERVED! if other people in the same situation got off time.. then fair enough.
drunk or not.. he shouldnt be driving the idiot! |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:48 am Post subject: |
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1 am. In the dark. Exit ramp from a bridge.
Could it be a bit hard to see there?
If you were focused on the stopped taxi or on the motorcycle, could you fail to see a body on the ground?
Have you personally ever driven over some object in the dark, or even in the daylight, because you didn't happen to see it?
Need some more evidence to convict this guy of any crime beyond his flakfizer offenses. |
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methdxman
Joined: 14 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:17 am Post subject: |
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He's Korean so I think he's automatically guilty.
Koreans have no spatial awareness. Actually, I was sleeping at home when this occurred and he somehow hit me, too. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:22 am Post subject: |
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One of us should go over to Yanghwa bridge, at night, and investigate the lighting situation ourselves. At this point I'll have to agree with flakfizer. Although I can see one's desire to see a boyband member put away not to sing and prance his pride away.
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| Koreadays wrote: |
| flakfizer wrote: |
| Personally, I don't see why he should do time. He wasn't driving recklessly or under the influence. He hit a guy who was lying on the road already. He didn't flee the scene. Drunk drivers should do serious time. So should hit and run offenders. But this guy is neither. Just bad luck, it seems. Other than his music, I don't think he poses much of a threat to society. |
I beg to differ. he was driving recklessly as he didn't see the man laying on the road, next to a parked taxi and a taxi driver helping at the scene.
he drove straight into the taxi driver and the body laying on the ground.
to me that's reckless driving, how can you not see a taxi parked on the side of the road and guy and a motor bike and someone laying there???
he ran the guy over, and injured the cab driver...
KILLED THE GUY LAYING ON THE ROAD. yes he has to live with the fact he ended someone lifes... but.. a crime has been committed.
therefore justice must be done..
he needs to compensate the family and he needs to pay a fine, have his license revoked and do time...
if it was anyone else time would be served for negligence homicide.
if there are other people in jail for the same crime.. then TIME MUST BE SERVED! if other people in the same situation got off time.. then fair enough.
drunk or not.. he shouldnt be driving the idiot! |
Sometimes I wonder if Koreadays is Itaewonguy...Not enough !!!!! though....
I say if you're driving drunk and hit a stationary object and end up sprawled on the road, if anyone hits you its your own fault, not theirs.
Before you cast stones, think how easily such a situation can happen to you and whether you think you'd deserve the book being thrown at you in such a case.
Not to mention there are some crappy roads here with last-second blind spots.
I think the big thing is that he chose not to flee. That's a good indicator of someone not being "in the wrong". Say what you will, the guy stopped and waited for the authorities.
Also, I think methdxman has a point. I get the vibe that you want him guilty for no other reason than he is Korean. Of course this is Dave's where people will (rightfully) protest about foreigners being assumed to be guilty but anytime someone Korean in the Korean public eye is involved, want them burned at the stake. It's stories and responses like this why I've previously called flakfizer one of the most balanced and centrist posters on Dave's. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| flakfizer wrote: |
| ... I don't think he poses much of a threat to society. |
I agree with you that this is what should determine whether an individual is incarcerated: whether they pose a genuine threat to society. This idea of punishment for the sake of punishment needs to end. None of us has a "debt to society" that can be somehow paid off through punishment. Either we conduct ourselves in a way that makes us an on-going threat to our fellow man (in which case we unfortunately must be incarcerated), or we do not (in which case incarceration is wrong both from an ethical and a utilitarian perspective). |
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HijackedTw1light
Joined: 24 May 2010
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| flakfizer wrote: |
| ... I don't think he poses much of a threat to society. |
I agree with you that this is what should determine whether an individual is incarcerated: whether they pose a genuine threat to society. This idea of punishment for the sake of punishment needs to end. None of us has a "debt to society" that can be somehow paid off through punishment. Either we conduct ourselves in a way that makes us an on-going threat to our fellow man (in which case we unfortunately must be incarcerated), or we do not (in which case incarceration is wrong both from an ethical and a utilitarian perspective). |
Another reason for punishment is to show people that if they break the rules, there are consequences.
If they have no reason to fear consequences, I'm leaving the country. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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Another reason for punishment is to show people that if they break the rules, there are consequences. |
If my actions didn't harm anyone in a reasonably avoidable or preventable fashion, I don't think there should be a rule against them in the first place. If they did harm anyone, you don't need the justification of punishment to prevent me from engaging in them.
Most people don't want to harm you. Threatening them with punishment demeans their dignity and creates the false illusion of man-against-man when, in reality, most people are doing the right thing for the right reason. This Legalist notion of punishment is part of what's making America dysfunctional. Think about all the people in America locked up not because they represent a real threat to society, but because they broke some arbitrary rules.
It shouldn't matter to you whether your fellow man fears the consequences of harming you (this idea that we should all be living in constant fear of the state is not one that's appealing to me). All that should matter is the knowledge that if someone does try to harm you, society will do its best to prevent it, not for the sake of punishing your assailant, but for the sake of protecting you. After all, it's not as if I'm saying, "Never lock anyone up, ever, we can all do what we want. Whee!!!" I'm merely saying that it should be done not as punishment, but as a last recourse to prevent anti-social individuals from harming their fellow man and society as a whole. |
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HijackedTw1light
Joined: 24 May 2010
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| HijackedTw1light wrote: |
Another reason for punishment is to show people that if they break the rules, there are consequences. |
If my actions didn't harm anyone in a reasonably avoidable or preventable fashion, I don't think there should be a rule against them in the first place. |
Agreed.
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| If they did harm anyone, you don't need the justification of punishment to prevent me from engaging in them. |
The deed's been done. The question is not how to prevent the crime but what to do about it. Or maybe I don't understand in what sense you mean "prevent."
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| Most people don't want to harm you. Threatening them with punishment demeans their dignity and creates the false illusion of man-against-man when, in reality, most people are doing the right thing for the right reason. This Legalist notion of punishment is part of what's making America dysfunctional. Think about all the people in America locked up not because they represent a real threat to society, but because they broke some arbitrary rules. |
You feel like your dignity is demeaned by the criminal code? I feel like mine has come through pretty much unscathed by it, but I don't want to be insensitive about this. This is a problem for you?
Unfortunately this man-against-man stuff is not an illusion. Hopefully one day we will transcend it, but we're nowhere near there yet. Knowing that people are punished for bonking little old ladies on the head and stealing their purses is indeed a deterrent for some would-be-attackers. Sad but true.
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| It shouldn't matter to you whether your fellow man fears the consequences of harming you (this idea that we should all be living in constant fear of the state is not one that's appealing to me). |
You're right, it shouldn't matter, but the facts being what they are, it does.
One doesn't have to live in fear precisely *because* would-be criminals fear punishment. If you find this unappealing, I don't know what to say, except that the world doesn't operate based on what we find appealing.
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| All that should matter is the knowledge that if someone does try to harm you, society will do its best to prevent it, not for the sake of punishing your assailant, but for the sake of protecting you. After all, it's not as if I'm saying, "Never lock anyone up, ever, we can all do what we want. Whee!!!" I'm merely saying that it should be done not as punishment, but as a last recourse to prevent anti-social individuals from harming their fellow man and society as a whole. |
There are lots of times people commit major crimes they aren't likely to commit again (the wife who shoots the husband she catches cheating, the white supremacist who kills the last black man in his township, etc). Should these people get away clean?
Anyway, the "message to society" aspect of punishment is still necessary (not even addressing the individual "corrective" rationale or the notion of the social contract). |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry Steelrails I had to laugh at your last post, that Daesung fella killed a Korean and injured another Korean.
How is wanting to see him do time anti-Korean racism? |
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Koreadays
Joined: 20 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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I am not against him for being in a boyband or Korean, I like Kpop and I like Korea. , actually I like him the most out of the other members, think he looks like a good guy and is the better singer of the bunch.
that's beside the point.
I take it you guys don't drive here?
well, I do drive here and have done so for 10 years, EVERYDAY.
all across seoul all the time. all hours of the night, I know these streets better than most taxi drivers.
the bridge was dark? NO IT WASN'T , there is adequate lighting there, why do you think 100 cars drove past the scene and didn't run over the guy.?
sure maybe Daesung was the only car that drove past. but the taxi managed to stop and get out of the car and walk up to the person, at 1am I know from experience at least 10-20 cars would of drove past during that time, on that bridge.
then here comes fan boy in his audi, speeding across the bridge, and smashes into the taxi and runs over someone, then keeps going and then realizes he hit someone, stops the car, (probably calls his manager who then calls the lawyer and tells him what to do.)
reckless driving, killed someone. drunk or not. doesn't matter..
life was taken, he needs to not get off it with a slap on the wrist.
that's all I am saying..
his license needs to be revoked for good he should not be behind the wheel of a vehicle. |
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