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v88



Joined: 28 Feb 2010
Location: here

PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:47 pm    Post subject: Seoul Air Pollution Reply with quote

Just wondering what people think of the air pollution here. Obviously it sucks. But I'm wondering what people know about it.

I know even though Korea has strict policies regarding the import of cars into Korea in order to protect the air of Korea that cars built for the Korean market do not meet the standards of most other developed nations. Korean cars made for the American market are held to much higher standards.

I know the dense population here also makes for increased air pollution. But I thought the much lower rate of ownership would have offset that.

Why is Seoul air so bad? Are the buses really as bad as they seem? Is the fuel lower quality? What are the health risks of living here?

Just curious.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


If you stay, you will die. You should go.
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brento1138



Joined: 17 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One day I was in bed, sleeping, and awoke to smell a strong petrol smell in my apartment. It was quite strong smelling, as if there was a running car inside my apartment.

Turns out that there was so much carbon (black stuff) on my window grate that when the rain started, it got on the window grate, got it wet, and that made my entire room smell like gasoline.

Every now and then, I take a rag and clean my window and the area around it. What I get is a thick blackish gray dust which completely covers the rag, thick enough to create an almost cakey appearance.

Yeah, that's Seoul pollution for ya.

People don't come here for the air.
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orosee



Joined: 07 Mar 2008
Location: Hannam-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-J wrote:

If you stay, you will die. You should go.


If he goes, he will die too.

Now what? Confused
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Nolan Ryan



Joined: 25 Aug 2004
Location: On a pitcher's mound somewhere in Seoul...

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you walk through your "dong", take note of how many cars are stopped along the side of the road with their engines running and a guy either on a phone, yapping loudly and listening to his "ballad" music, or sleeping in his seat...Personally, I like to knock on the cars with the sleepers!
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v88



Joined: 28 Feb 2010
Location: here

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently read that Korea's PM10 count was about twice that of other developed nations (although Japan isn't that much better..probably a density issue, because I know they have strict regulations for cars). That's not terribly bad considering how fast it has developed and how much worse other countries like China and India are.

But despite that I still find so much more filth on everything when I leave the windows open (as brento mentioned). During the dry season the roads and sidewalks are so filthy that I have to wash my dog's feet after a 5 minute walk outside. There must be some very drastic differences between winter and summer PM10 counts.

Every now and then I get bored and try to look this stuff up but generally don't find the information I'm looking for...except for loads of news paper articles that go on and on about the huge changes being made. Koreans seem to be masters of not airing their dirty laundry in public and booster-ism. Not that they haven't made great changes, it's just that the articles often state things that don't always come to fruition or over exaggerate their importance. I've had better luck getting good articles about air pollution in Kathmandu than I have for Seoul.

Just wondering if anyone had better material...suppose Dave's isn't the place for that...
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Ruby Thursday



Joined: 29 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nolan Ryan wrote:
When you walk through your "dong", take note of how many cars are stopped along the side of the road with their engines running and a guy either on a phone, yapping loudly and listening to his "ballad" music, or sleeping in his seat...Personally, I like to knock on the cars with the sleepers!


Uhmm, and then what?
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Gorf



Joined: 25 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly why anyone would open their windows in such humid, polluted city is beyond me. It's like opening your windows in L.A., there's no point.
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qcat79



Joined: 18 Aug 2006
Location: ROK

PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i get that black grimy crap in my window sill too and i don't even live in seoul. it's everywhere and coming to get us.
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Speedling



Joined: 08 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the air really that bad? I haven't really noticed
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AsiaESLbound wrote:
enerjohn wrote:
Lots of nice things about Korea, but the pollution is a deal-breaker. I can't live here for more than a year if I can only look forward to a truly blue sky once every other week.


Yes, that's half of it. They really do need to clean it up and make their environment of public places more aesthetically pleasing and air that's not a thick putrid chemical haze. This is the thickest smelliest air I've seen and the very thing I dread each day now that I'm familiar with it and seeing nothing is going to be done to improve it. It's a complex soup of foul smell I'll never forget and will always associate when this country comes to mind. Environment means a great deal in how people feel and behave within a community. They know it's bad and that's why so many of them wonder what interest we have in being here with little chance to do much more than teach English and breath their pollution. I suppose eventually they will make a choice to take initiative to do something about it, but I don't have 20 years to wait for them to develop a way of life that makes sense to me.
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Nolan Ryan



Joined: 25 Aug 2004
Location: On a pitcher's mound somewhere in Seoul...

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ruby Thursday wrote:
Nolan Ryan wrote:
When you walk through your "dong", take note of how many cars are stopped along the side of the road with their engines running and a guy either on a phone, yapping loudly and listening to his "ballad" music, or sleeping in his seat...Personally, I like to knock on the cars with the sleepers!


Uhmm, and then what?


If they have the maracas to say something to me I tell them they're morons and yada yada. I do this especially if the idiots are parked on the sidewalks or obstructing my son's stroller.

Not 100 % sure on the laws here but if they enforced this practice of people leaving their engines running while parked, they'd reduce the pollution levels a little. (We're talking thousands of cars in Seoul alone EVERYDAY!)
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-J wrote:

If you stay, you will die. You should go.


Troll much?


OP, I too have wondered about the air quality on many days. I'd be curious if there was an app out for notifications and the like.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
T-J wrote:

If you stay, you will die. You should go.


Troll much?


OP, I too have wondered about the air quality on many days. I'd be curious if there was an app out for notifications and the like.



Wonder no longer.


http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/seoulgreenair/id415429299?mt=8
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. Downloading now.
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