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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Julius wrote: |
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Well, in eight years of following this board and almost ten of following the Korean press, I can't say that I've heard too many cases that sounded like a foreigner was just walking down the street, minding his own business, when, BAM, out of the blue some Korean came along, made totally fabricated charges against him, and the foreigner ended up getting convicted in court on the basis of no evidence whatsoever.
But if you can direct my attention to such a case, I'd be happy to read the article. |
Actually there was such an article, and you should remember it as you've been here a while. The link has disappeared, but the details are as follows:-
..the foreign guy was out with a korean woman when some ajosshi guy started following them around and hurling abuse at them. Despite all attempts to evade him, he kept following them until the foreign guy called the police to try and get them to remove the guy for harassment.
At this point the korean made up some story about them assaulting him. Despite the fact that he was drunk, the cops sided with him and charged the foreigner.
So the guy got a criminal record for doing absolutely nothing. The police advice to him was that if it happened again to just run away. |
We've only got one side of the story...plus we don't even have the original story to confirm your recollections of it.
You'll have to do better than that.
And how about the foreign teachers (myself included) here who had other Koreans (the labor board and the courts) side with THEM against their corrupt bosses?
Not to mention that Indian professor.... |
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rambler
Joined: 18 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| I have a hard time believing either of the anecdotal pieces of evidence presented here as proof of a biased justice system in KO. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
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Well, in eight years of following this board and almost ten of following the Korean press, I can't say that I've heard too many cases that sounded like a foreigner was just walking down the street, minding his own business, when, BAM, out of the blue some Korean came along, made totally fabricated charges against him, and the foreigner ended up getting convicted in court on the basis of no evidence whatsoever.
But if you can direct my attention to such a case, I'd be happy to read the article. |
Actually there was such an article, and you should remember it as you've been here a while. The link has disappeared, but the details are as follows:-
..the foreign guy was out with a korean woman when some ajosshi guy started following them around and hurling abuse at them. Despite all attempts to evade him, he kept following them until the foreign guy called the police to try and get them to remove the guy for harassment.
At this point the korean made up some story about them assaulting him. Despite the fact that he was drunk, the cops sided with him and charged the foreigner.
So the guy got a criminal record for doing absolutely nothing. The police advice to him was that if it happened again to just run away. |
I think you're talking about the Metropolitician.. and as far as I know, he has no criminal record. I can ask him, but I don't believe he was actually charged. |
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northway
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| rambler wrote: |
| I have a hard time believing either of the anecdotal pieces of evidence presented here as proof of a biased justice system in KO. |
I don't think there's any question that if there's an issue with a Korean police officer you're at a natural disadvantage if you can't speak Korean, but besides that I haven't seen much. |
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methdxman
Joined: 14 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Anytime an American gets trouble abroad, they always play the same card that the justice system is flawed in ________.
Same thing over and over again. |
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litebear
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Holland
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| Book 'em, Kyung Mo. |
Brilliant!  Cap doffed sir.
As for the case, who knows? Naturally his parents will think he's innocent! Hardly gonna interview them and have the father say "Yknow, I always thought he might try and steal $88 from a Korean taxi driver" |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:56 am Post subject: |
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A 22-year-old Hazleton man serving in the U.S. Army has been jailed in South Korea, and friends, family and veterans are trying to free him.
Andre Fisher was sentenced to two years in a South Korean prison in a case where a cab driver was robbed of $88.
The cab driver identified Fisher as his assailant.
"Andre emptied his pockets containing only $14 and denied that he had anything to do with it," Fisher's friend, Brittany Gresh, said in an email. She could not be reached by phone for further comment.
U.S. Rep. Lou Barletta, R-11, is looking into the case, his spokesman, Shawn Kelly, said.
Veterans said other members of Congress have been asked to help Fisher, too. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| I think you're talking about the Metropolitician.. and as far as I know, he has no criminal record. I can ask him, but I don't believe he was actually charged. |
The case was dropped apparently.
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| A Korean police officer was frank and told me that straight up when I was arrested. He said I shouldn't have called the police because my testimony means almost squat when it comes to a foreigner's word versus a Korean's. I think the only reason I was eventually let off (the case was dismissed) was because a Korean testified on my behalf |
http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/2008/12/tips-to-avoid-being-assaulted-in-korea.html
But ther you have it OTOH.
Someone arrested for and charged for the crime of being harassed by an ajosshi. Thoughts? |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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All that has to happen is that a Korean person files a complaint against you. It can be complete fiction: doesn't matter. Invariably Korean police will take the word of their compatriots over a foreigner. That is if they even understand a word the foreigner is saying or bother to get his side of the story.
Foreigners are sitting ducks here. In a country that likes to criminalise and demonise foreigners.
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Well, in eight years of following this board and almost ten of following the Korean press, I can't say that I've heard too many cases that sounded like a foreigner was just walking down the street, minding his own business, when, BAM, out of the blue some Korean came along, made totally fabricated charges against him, and the foreigner ended up getting convicted in court on the basis of no evidence whatsoever.
But if you can direct my attention to such a case, I'd be happy to read the article. |
It's the cab drivers word against the individual accused. Without witnesses or other corraborating evidence it's a no go in western countries. Not being in a place where other people see you is not enough to assist in a conviction. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:28 am Post subject: |
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The family seems to be laying a lot of emphasis on the Korean justice system being so biased against the accused. While I would agree that a 99% conviction rate is a tad high, I don't have much other information about how the Korean justice system differs from other democracies.
If someone knows the details, I'd be interested to hear them. Other than that, I'd only point out that the family of the accused are not the most objective people to have vouching for his good character. |
Probably because it is very difficult to bring a case to court.
When a case goes to court, most of the evidence has already been screened, as not to waste too much time on proceeding on bad evidence. |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Another poster commented on the 'white envelope'.
Sad to admit that seems like the way it should have been done.
Look at Samsung's chairman. He doesn't go to jail. Evidence? Yup. Guilty? Suuure.
If you can't prove your innocence, you are up the river. If you are broke, twice as fast. |
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masterdirector
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| LOL @ at the apologists and ass kissers of anything and everything korea. dance whitey dance. Oh it's just their culture. Oh it's just their custom. lol, cracks me up. there's no justice for foreigners here. better behave and hope nobody points the finger at you. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
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| I think you're talking about the Metropolitician.. and as far as I know, he has no criminal record. I can ask him, but I don't believe he was actually charged. |
The case was dropped apparently.
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| A Korean police officer was frank and told me that straight up when I was arrested. He said I shouldn't have called the police because my testimony means almost squat when it comes to a foreigner's word versus a Korean's. I think the only reason I was eventually let off (the case was dismissed) was because a Korean testified on my behalf |
http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/2008/12/tips-to-avoid-being-assaulted-in-korea.html
But ther you have it OTOH.
Someone arrested for and charged for the crime of being harassed by an ajosshi. Thoughts? |
I have to ask.. would this be any different in the US/CAN/UK? I mean, if a cop shows up and there are conflicting statements, and both parties want charges laid... aren't both charges laid sometimes? (I have to admit though, this particular instance seems fairly clear cut). |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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But ther you have it OTOH.
Someone arrested for and charged for the crime of being harassed by an ajosshi. Thoughts? |
Except it doesn't say that. In fact we don't know exactly he was arrested for. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| If memory serves, the ajjoshi had cuts on his leg that he said were due to being kicked by the Metropolitician. |
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