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marsavalanche
Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish
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| Julius wrote: |
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| And public urination? ... I'm GLAD anyone with a criminal history isn't allowed here. |
To be fair... public urination is not against the law in Korea....and it is commonplace.
There are a whole host of things that will get you a criminal record in the west but are quite normal in Korea. |
Yes, someone who pisses out in the open and is dumb enough to get arrested for it would definitely integrate perfectly with Korea's public piss culture.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irrelevant |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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And public urination? Seriously? Jesus, it's times like these I'm GLAD anyone with a criminal history isn't allowed here. |
what?????
this man is clearly way ahead on understanding "Korean culture". He'll fit right in. |
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brento1138
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| rainism wrote: |
| marsavalanche wrote: |
And public urination? Seriously? Jesus, it's times like these I'm GLAD anyone with a criminal history isn't allowed here. |
what?????
this man is clearly way ahead on understanding "Korean culture". He'll fit right in. |
Exactly! They're gonna welcome you with open arms dude!
But seriously, we shouldn't judge anyone on the mistakes of when they were 17... 18... 21... etc. I've done some AMAZINGLY dumb things at that age, and am glad as hell I was never caught by the police or ended up in a burning car. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| brento1138 wrote: |
| rainism wrote: |
| marsavalanche wrote: |
And public urination? Seriously? Jesus, it's times like these I'm GLAD anyone with a criminal history isn't allowed here. |
what?????
this man is clearly way ahead on understanding "Korean culture". He'll fit right in. |
Exactly! They're gonna welcome you with open arms dude!
But seriously, we shouldn't judge anyone on the mistakes of when they were 17... 18... 21... etc. I've done some AMAZINGLY dumb things at that age, and am glad as hell I was never caught by the police or ended up in a burning car. |
So at what age do we start judging? When is someone mature enough to accept responsibility for his or her mistakes? |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| brento1138 wrote: |
| rainism wrote: |
| marsavalanche wrote: |
And public urination? Seriously? Jesus, it's times like these I'm GLAD anyone with a criminal history isn't allowed here. |
what?????
this man is clearly way ahead on understanding "Korean culture". He'll fit right in. |
Exactly! They're gonna welcome you with open arms dude!
But seriously, we shouldn't judge anyone on the mistakes of when they were 17... 18... 21... etc. I've done some AMAZINGLY dumb things at that age, and am glad as hell I was never caught by the police or ended up in a burning car. |
So at what age do we start judging? When is someone mature enough to accept responsibility for his or her mistakes? |
"they" say, at least for a north american male, that the typical range is between 18-25 years of age for most offenders. so, if ur 26 or older and still running around beating people senseless, kicking over mailboxes, throwing empties through vacant building windows, and curb-stomping "less desirables" in Timmins, then ur probably in need of some help/intervention/therapy. |
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brento1138
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:22 am Post subject: |
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So at what age do we start judging? When is someone mature enough to accept responsibility for his or her mistakes? |
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I really think people are not fully conscious until they are about 20 or 21 years old. Thinking back, I remember back then, my ability to think and make rational decisions was less than it is today. Perhaps it is to do with the brain still developing, or with hormones, I don't quite know. But I am absolutely certain that the person who I am now is far superior in intelligence to the person I was at age 18, 19, 20, 21... Those years, we are still developing into men. I say a man becomes a man once he is 21. If 22 year olds, 26 year olds, and 30 year olds are committing crimes, that's when you gotta lock them up and throw away the key. That's when they've made their decision.
But an 18 year old who got a criminal record for dealing drugs? Stealing a car? I think they need to be punished, but I do not think it needs to affect their entire lives in a negative way. |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| denverdeath wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| brento1138 wrote: |
| rainism wrote: |
| marsavalanche wrote: |
And public urination? Seriously? Jesus, it's times like these I'm GLAD anyone with a criminal history isn't allowed here. |
what?????
this man is clearly way ahead on understanding "Korean culture". He'll fit right in. |
Exactly! They're gonna welcome you with open arms dude!
But seriously, we shouldn't judge anyone on the mistakes of when they were 17... 18... 21... etc. I've done some AMAZINGLY dumb things at that age, and am glad as hell I was never caught by the police or ended up in a burning car. |
So at what age do we start judging? When is someone mature enough to accept responsibility for his or her mistakes? |
"they" say, at least for a north american male, that the typical range is between 18-25 years of age for most offenders. so, if ur 26 or older and still running around beating people senseless, kicking over mailboxes, throwing empties through vacant building windows, and curb-stomping "less desirables" in Timmins, then ur probably in need of some help/intervention/therapy. |
sorry. meant to say, "especially if 'they' catch you." |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:49 am Post subject: |
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So at what age do we start judging? When is someone mature enough to accept responsibility for his or her mistakes? |
I really think people are not fully conscious until they are about 20 or 21 years old. Thinking back, I remember back then, my ability to think and make rational decisions was less than it is today. Perhaps it is to do with the brain still developing, or with hormones, I don't quite know. But I am absolutely certain that the person who I am now is far superior in intelligence to the person I was at age 18, 19, 20, 21... Those years, we are still developing into men. I say a man becomes a man once he is 21. If 22 year olds, 26 year olds, and 30 year olds are committing crimes, that's when you gotta lock them up and throw away the key. That's when they've made their decision.
But an 18 year old who got a criminal record for dealing drugs? Stealing a car? I think they need to be punished, but I do not think it needs to affect their entire lives in a negative way. |
ur brain may actually have been working BETTER back then(self-preservation, and all cdns r well-known for their ability to sneak, cheat, and contrive their ways out of possible future negative consequences)...?!?  ur getting older and the cops are getting younger by the time ur 25, no? people who kill under the YOA r still killers to me...the chingu killer HS kid here in busan is not innocent and shouldnt b allowed to blame his doings on a popular movie...sorry...just my opinion i guess, but i think most kids r a bit 'smarter' by the time they reach 16 than most like to believe. |
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thegadfly
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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To the individual being critical of the public urination arrest: What male on this board hasn't urinated outside before? Let's ban them all from teaching in Korea! People's goofiness abounds to new levels.
Couldn't agree more!! What the hell does this have to do with teaching. I got a DVI way back when, you live and learn and I've never done it since. Luckily I was not on an E2 though it was a government job that involved secret service clearance!!!  |
Actually, this charge will get a person barred from teaching, forever, in the US -- as it is places the person on the sex offender registry, and people on the registry are barred from being teachers....
I am not agreeing that that is ok -- just that that is the way it is. Don't pee where folks can see you, if you intend to keep a teaching job.... |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| thegadfly wrote: |
| oldtrafford wrote: |
To the individual being critical of the public urination arrest: What male on this board hasn't urinated outside before? Let's ban them all from teaching in Korea! People's goofiness abounds to new levels.
Couldn't agree more!! What the hell does this have to do with teaching. I got a DVI way back when, you live and learn and I've never done it since. Luckily I was not on an E2 though it was a government job that involved secret service clearance!!! |
Actually, this charge will get a person barred from teaching, forever, in the US -- as it is places the person on the sex offender registry, and people on the registry are barred from being teachers....
I am not agreeing that that is ok -- just that that is the way it is. Don't pee where folks can see you, if you intend to keep a teaching job.... |
This is true, but it's also incredibly stupid. |
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thegadfly
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| thegadfly wrote: |
| oldtrafford wrote: |
To the individual being critical of the public urination arrest: What male on this board hasn't urinated outside before? Let's ban them all from teaching in Korea! People's goofiness abounds to new levels.
Couldn't agree more!! What the hell does this have to do with teaching. I got a DVI way back when, you live and learn and I've never done it since. Luckily I was not on an E2 though it was a government job that involved secret service clearance!!! |
Actually, this charge will get a person barred from teaching, forever, in the US -- as it is places the person on the sex offender registry, and people on the registry are barred from being teachers....
I am not agreeing that that is ok -- just that that is the way it is. Don't pee where folks can see you, if you intend to keep a teaching job.... |
This is true, but it's also incredibly stupid. |
I totally agree...but it is the way it is.... |
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definitely maybe
Joined: 16 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| brento1138 wrote: |
| rainism wrote: |
| marsavalanche wrote: |
And public urination? Seriously? Jesus, it's times like these I'm GLAD anyone with a criminal history isn't allowed here. |
what?????
this man is clearly way ahead on understanding "Korean culture". He'll fit right in. |
Exactly! They're gonna welcome you with open arms dude!
But seriously, we shouldn't judge anyone on the mistakes of when they were 17... 18... 21... etc. I've done some AMAZINGLY dumb things at that age, and am glad as hell I was never caught by the police or ended up in a burning car. |
So at what age do we start judging? When is someone mature enough to accept responsibility for his or her mistakes? |
How old are you? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:16 am Post subject: |
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| definitely maybe wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| brento1138 wrote: |
| rainism wrote: |
| marsavalanche wrote: |
And public urination? Seriously? Jesus, it's times like these I'm GLAD anyone with a criminal history isn't allowed here. |
what?????
this man is clearly way ahead on understanding "Korean culture". He'll fit right in. |
Exactly! They're gonna welcome you with open arms dude!
But seriously, we shouldn't judge anyone on the mistakes of when they were 17... 18... 21... etc. I've done some AMAZINGLY dumb things at that age, and am glad as hell I was never caught by the police or ended up in a burning car. |
So at what age do we start judging? When is someone mature enough to accept responsibility for his or her mistakes? |
How old are you? |
Old enough to take responsibility for my mistakes.
You? |
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cincynate
Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: Jeju-do, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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If you have anything besides "No Arrest Record" shown on your FBI CBC, you won't be getting an E-2 visa sir.. Regardless of what it is. With a record like that, one of those is bound to show up. Even expunged things (which are expunged with the locality that charged you, not with the FBI) sometimes will show up.
Hope you like Chinese food and dirty dirty cities |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:05 am Post subject: |
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Good God, I've had my run-ins with marsavalanche on these boards before but we are on the same page on at least two of these threads. The fact is it's not Korean Immigration's problem if anybody has accumulated any kind of criminal record in their home country that was not from a genuinely criminal offence in the worser senses of the word.
Their job is to keep to the rules/guidelines that have been made to tighten up the criteria for E-2 visa English teachers. Yeah right, many males urinate in public at some stage but if you get caught in a state/area of your home country where the police arrest you for it and there is a record of it, most likely it will show up on a criminal record check. It's hard cheese.
Kimmi has progressively tightened the regs for us and it's logical that they stick to that. If they have a blanket rule on the criminal record check it is not only understandable but highly logical. Why should they look at anything and say, well it wasn't that bad? That's not their job. Their job is to apply regulations that demand we have a clean criminal record. I can't see how that is unreasonable. |
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