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Ya-ta Boy
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What did the Oslo killer want?
I have just finished reading through what appears to be the 1,518-page manifesto and handbook of the alleged perpetrator of the worst terrorist attack in Norwegian history...
"Our purpose," the document reads, is to "seize political and military control of Western European countries and implement a cultural conservative political agenda."
In grim, apocalyptic language, it advocates attacks on "traitors" across Europe who are supposedly enabling a Muslim takeover of the continent.
"[W]e should� not exceed (per 2010) aprox. 45 000 dead and 1 million wounded cultural Marxists/multiculturalists in Western Europe," the author writes. "The time for dialogue is over. We gave peace a chance. The time for armed resistance has come."
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/07/23/what_did_the_oslo_killer_want |
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
| A few years ago Rosie O'Donnell said radical Christians were just as dangerous as radical Muslims. People attacked her for it, but they really missed the point. Radicals are dangerous no matter what they say their motives are. It isn't about Muslim vs Christian, Left vs Right, Democrat vs Republican. It's about good, peace loving people being vigilant against those who want to cause harm and destruction. I don't believe this man represents Christians anymore than I believe Osama represents Muslims. It's unfourtunate to see that the language and approach we use towards this tragedy has shifted significantly since it was discoverd a white Norwegian man was responsible for this attack. Like I said, I don't blame the groups this madman claimed to be part of but I do consider it to be terrorism. We put ourselves in danger by accepting such a narrow view of the threat. |
So you already have proof that this was carried out by a Christian? Or are you just going with the "official" version before knowing all the facts? |
Most of the stories right now seem to be running with the right-wing Christian fundamentalist description.
/shrug
Do they have the death penalty there? |
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jrwhite82
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Zackback
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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In his first comment via a lawyer since he was arrested, 32-year-old Norwegian Anders Behring Breivik expressed willingness to explain himself in court at a hearing likely to be held on Monday about extending protective custody.
"He has said that he believed the actions were atrocious, but that in his head they were necessary," lawyer Geir Lippestad told independent TV2 news.
Police said Breivik gave himself up after admitting to a massacre in which at least 85 people died, mostly young people attending a summer camp of the youth wing of Norway's ruling Labour Party on an idyllic island...
Lippestad, speaking late on Saturday, did not give more details of possible motives by Breivik.
Breivik hated "cultural marxists," wanted a "crusade" against the spread of Islam and liked guns and weightlifting, web postings, acquaintances and officials said.
A video posted to the YouTube website showed several pictures of Breivik, including one of him in a Navy Seal type scuba diving outfit pointing an automatic weapon.
"Before we can start our crusade we must do our duty by decimating cultural marxism," said a caption under the video called "Knights Templar 2083" on the YouTube website, which took down the video on Saturday.
A Norwegian website provided a link to a 1,500 page electronic manifesto which says Breivik was the author. It was not possible to verify who posted the video or wrote the book.
"Once you decide to strike, it is better to kill too many than not enough, or you risk reducing the desired ideological impact of the strike," the book said.
http://news.yahoo.com/norway-suspect-deems-killings-atrocious-needed-013354792.html |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
| A few years ago Rosie O'Donnell said radical Christians were just as dangerous as radical Muslims. People attacked her for it, but they really missed the point. Radicals are dangerous no matter what they say their motives are. It isn't about Muslim vs Christian, Left vs Right, Democrat vs Republican. It's about good, peace loving people being vigilant against those who want to cause harm and destruction. I don't believe this man represents Christians anymore than I believe Osama represents Muslims. It's unfourtunate to see that the language and approach we use towards this tragedy has shifted significantly since it was discoverd a white Norwegian man was responsible for this attack. Like I said, I don't blame the groups this madman claimed to be part of but I do consider it to be terrorism. We put ourselves in danger by accepting such a narrow view of the threat. |
So you already have proof that this was carried out by a Christian? Or are you just going with the "official" version before knowing all the facts? |
Most of the stories right now seem to be running with the right-wing Christian fundamentalist description. |
The official story also seems to be that it was a lone mastermind (highly unlikely I would say)... Give it a week before we find out he was a patsy (like Timothy McVeigh) trained by MI6 and/or the CIA 
Anyway, I'm just saying that it's impossible to know what really happened this early on. If I come out of the gate pointing fingers at US black ops, then I lose credibility if proven wrong. Yet the media seems fine with painting a "white Al-Qaida" narrative right off the bat, and using it as an excuse to attack the so-called "right wing" (including libertarians).
Regardless of how this turns out, how many articles do you think will be calling for curbing civil rights as a response to this isolated event? That's what I find aggravating. |
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jrwhite82
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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Are they able to stack sentences on top of each other though? Like charge him for each individual murder and lock him up for a few hundred years? |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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This comes from someone posting at LGF, so...but it is interesting if true:
From the diary:
2002-2006
I am required to build a capital base in order to fund the creation of the compendium. I don't know if I will ever proceed with a martyrdom operation at this point as it simply seems too radical.
My plan A is to attempt to acquire 3 million Euro, in which case I plan to establish a pan-European organizational platform that will attempt to grow organically as a support organization which will distribute a 'legal version' of the compendium.
If I fail to generate the specified amount I will move forward with the operation, in order to market the compendium that way.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/253478_Oslo_Terrorist_Breivik_Massacr |
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catman
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
Anyway, I'm just saying that it's impossible to know what really happened this early on.
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Lots of witnesses to this one. I'd say they are very credible too.
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| Yet the media seems fine with painting a "white Al-Qaida" narrative right off the bat, |
I'm guessing that you got that term from Alex Jones.
Went over to infowars to see how they were spinning it. Wasn't surprised to see our first false flag article already.
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Regardless of how this turns out, how many articles do you think will be calling for curbing civil rights as a response to this isolated event? That's what I find aggravating. |
Depends if you think gun ownership is a civil right in Norway. |
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Privateer
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Off topic, but they should stop using nitrates for fertilizer. It's bad for the soil, and they only started using them to bail out the nitrates factories that were developed to make explosives during WW2. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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infowars is a fun site!
Did you know:
Breivik is obviously a patsy for a Gladio operation to destroy political opposition to the bankers. Operation Gladio was a �strategy of tension� devised by the elite that employed terrorism � assassination and bombings � to discredit political opponents in Europe. It was set-up by the CIA and staffed in part with former members of Mussolini�s secret police.
http://www.infowars.com/evidence-shows-norway-terror-attack-a-false-flag/
This is my personal favorite:
AND IT HAPPENS WITH IN 60 DAY AFTER BILDERBERG.
EVERY TIME THESE CRAZY GET TOGETHER, SOMETHING HAPPENS..
EVERY YEAR AND
EVERY DAMN TIME!!!!!�. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:13 am Post subject: |
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Police and his lawyer have said that Anders Behring Breivik confessed to the twin attacks, but denied criminal responsibility for a day that shook peaceful Norway to its core and was the deadliest ever in peacetime. He has been charged with terrorism and will be arraigned on Monday.
"He wanted a change in society and, from his perspective, he needed to force through a revolution," Geir Lippestad, his lawyer, told public broadcaster NRK. "He wished to attack society and the structure of society."
http://news.yahoo.com/lawyer-norway-suspect-says-acted-alone-084409947.html |
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young_clinton
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:23 am Post subject: |
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Do they have the death penalty there? |
Nope, not in the european union. You have to abolish it to get in the european union. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| Most of the stories right now seem to be running with the right-wing Christian fundamentalist description. |
Without any further information to back up why they are describing him as such. |
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English Matt
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
Do they have the death penalty there? |
Nope, not in the european union. You have to abolish it to get in the european union. |
Norway is not in the EU, however all countries in Europe (other than Belarus) have abolished the death penalty. |
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