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Swampfox10mm



Joined: 24 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:41 pm    Post subject: Pushing out foreigners at public schools Reply with quote

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/07/117_91688.html

I think this will mean fewer foreign teachers in Korea, but more side work for those here already.

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The Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education said Tuesday that it will gradually increase the number of Korean teachers in English conversation classes at public schools while gradually reducing the number of native foreigners.

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marsavalanche



Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its a good thing this was posted. i was starting to worry about not getting my daily "more weigooks getting cut" fix
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Gorf



Joined: 25 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah this might go on for a year or two but then they'll go back to having actual English speakers in the classroom.
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ippy



Joined: 25 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My coteacher is in the middle of getting this TEE certificate. This is the same coteacher who wont do a demonstration class without me scripting EVERY SINGLE word she is going to say (and even when i explain that the stuff in square brackets are just general IDEAS for her to draw on, and not actually things she will say, she still reads it off like shes ron burgandy).

As ive said before though, if the objectives arent 'cultural exchange', then its not like we're a big loss. And who on earth are we to tell the korean tax payer how to spend their cash. If they want english speakers who dread using english, no big loss. Since they have almost zero impact in the world of english speaking tourism, theyre probably better off getting their chinese up to scratch anyway. :p
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Kaypea



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ippy wrote:
My coteacher is in the middle of getting this TEE certificate. This is the same coteacher who wont do a demonstration class without me scripting EVERY SINGLE word she is going to say (and even when i explain that the stuff in square brackets are just general IDEAS for her to draw on, and not actually things she will say, she still reads it off like shes ron burgandy).

As ive said before though, if the objectives arent 'cultural exchange', then its not like we're a big loss. And who on earth are we to tell the korean tax payer how to spend their cash. If they want english speakers who dread using english, no big loss. Since they have almost zero impact in the world of english speaking tourism, theyre probably better off getting their chinese up to scratch anyway. :p


Yes, I think the school board is right to get its priorities straight. I've noticed that the trend has shifted (in my school, at least) from "Let's maximize English speaking time" to "Let's not embarrass the students by making them tolerate any linguistic ambiguity." If that's what they want, then they don't need FTs.

It's funny about the open-class script. I mean, things aren't that crazy here, but I can totally see it happening.

"Greet students. Ask students, 'how are you?'"
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aq8knyus



Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do get the feeling, for PS at least, that English language education will be similar to French language teaching in UK schools. By that I mean someone who has dodgy speaking skills and poor pronunciation trying to teach the language.

Although I did go to a bog standard comp so maybe it was better for others.
Though if native teachers are reduced how will they decide which schools get them? I guess kids in the Korean equivalent of bog standard comps will lose out.
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gorf wrote:
Yeah this might go on for a year or two but then they'll go back to having actual English speakers in the classroom.


I'm not sure they could stand the loss of face involved.

They might increase foreigners in after-school classes though.


The whole thing has been a folly because a) they did not properly utilise FT's and b) they could have paid higher wages and selected better qualified teachers, in a systematic way. (Thats what other asian countries do and their progarammes are still running).
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jinju necklace



Joined: 15 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hiring Korean English conversation teachers is a good idea, but the education board is failing to see what is at the heart of the problem - the curriculum. If they don't make a massive overall on the ridiculous curriculum and textbooks that are currently being used then these kind of changes won't make any impact on the English proficiency level of Korean students.

Dividing students into levels is also a great idea, but it's still problematic when you teach all the levels the same textbook and all levels still have to write the same tests (as some schools are doing now).

None of these small changes will make a difference until the curriculum is drastically changed.
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s10czar



Joined: 14 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've often thought that I should only be teaching about 20% of my current students. The other 80% simply DO NOT understand what I am saying.

Truth be told, most of my students are really being taught English from the other students in class who can actually understand me. That being the case, I say it's an improvement to get a Korean teacher in there -at least the students will be learning from a teacher and not from each other.

Sadly, what I don't see expressed in the article is an understanding that those 20% of kids who can actually understand me really do get a significant benefit from being taught by me -a native speaker.

Seems like the Koreans are throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Oh well, it's their country.
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jrwhite82



Joined: 22 May 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:52 am    Post subject: