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soundproject
Joined: 01 Jun 2011
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 Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:32 am Post subject: Anyone accepted job then to hear nothing more from hagwon??? |
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Hi all,
Sorry if there's a thread on this already in motion.
I got offered a position with a hagwon. The hagwon directors seemed overly keen and said they really wanted to have me as their new teacher. Although I presume this is something that gets said a lot? After quite a few calls and emails between hagwon and I, I said yes to the contract, only to then hear nothing more from them. My guess is the hagwon had probably offered the job to a few other NETs at the same time.
Has anyone experienced this? I'd really appreciate to hear your experiences, thoughts and advice here!
Thanks! |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:44 am Post subject: |
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They may have found a teacher already in the country or easier to hire. They want to keep you as a plan B, but they won't say it to your face. That is why they are quiet now.
So, use them as a plan B too and look for more hagwons. Remember, you can only talk to as many as you want, no more  |
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Bruce W Sims
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Illinois; USA
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:55 am Post subject: Re: Anyone accepted job then to hear nothing more from hagwo |
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| soundproject wrote: |
Hi all,
Sorry if there's a thread on this already in motion.
I got offered a position with a hagwon. The hagwon directors seemed overly keen and said they really wanted to have me as their new teacher. Although I presume this is something that gets said a lot? After quite a few calls and emails between hagwon and I, I said yes to the contract, only to then hear nothing more from them. My guess is the hagwon had probably offered the job to a few other NETs at the same time.
Has anyone experienced this? I'd really appreciate to hear your experiences, thoughts and advice here!
Thanks! |
I've gotten that a couple of times, now. Its annoying as hell, but its a sure sign of an "employer market". Judging from the hundreds of resume'-s and pictures on the various sites, the market is flooded with fresh young faces. From what I have read and seen regarding the Korean market, "mercenary sensibilities" seem to hold sway. I've been around for a little bit so I can tell you that this is pretty much situation normal for a Recession market. If this market is at all like any of the others--1972-75; 1980-81; 1990; 2001; 2007-2009) it will take about 4 years or so for this to shake-out.
Have a Nice Day. 
Best Wishes,
Bruce
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soundproject
Joined: 01 Jun 2011
Location: taking the scenic route to Bucaramanga...
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| koreatimes wrote: |
They may have found a teacher already in the country or easier to hire. They want to keep you as a plan B, but they won't say it to your face. That is why they are quiet now.
So, use them as a plan B too and look for more hagwons. Remember, you can only talk to as many as you want, no more |
koreatimes. Yeah I thought this might have been the case, why else would they bump up the salary a bit for me? I also think they had more than 1 backup. I've heard nothing since last week so I think that's the end of them. I can assure you they have been my plan B too!  It was a bit of a shame because that gig would have been a "relatively ok" one for a first-timer like me. Oh well! It wasn't for me uh! 
Thanks very much for your words koreatimes! |
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soundproject
Joined: 01 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:07 am Post subject: Re: Anyone accepted job then to hear nothing more from hagwo |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
| soundproject wrote: |
Hi all,
Sorry if there's a thread on this already in motion.
I got offered a position with a hagwon. The hagwon directors seemed overly keen and said they really wanted to have me as their new teacher. Although I presume this is something that gets said a lot? After quite a few calls and emails between hagwon and I, I said yes to the contract, only to then hear nothing more from them. My guess is the hagwon had probably offered the job to a few other NETs at the same time.
Has anyone experienced this? I'd really appreciate to hear your experiences, thoughts and advice here!
Thanks! |
I've gotten that a couple of times, now. Its annoying as hell, but its a sure sign of an "employer market". Judging from the hundreds of resume'-s and pictures on the various sites, the market is flooded with fresh young faces. From what I have read and seen regarding the Korean market, "mercenary sensibilities" seem to hold sway. I've been around for a little bit so I can tell you that this is pretty much situation normal for a Recession market. If this market is at all like any of the others--1972-73; 1980; 1983 etc, etc) it will take about 4 years or so for this to shake-out.
Have a Nice Day.
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
Thanks Bruce for your input and advise here..yeah it sure is annoying as hell, but there's only so much one can do in this situation. I agree it completely "screams" "employer market". True there are so many fresh young faces posted on all the websites going that employers can cherry pick at their disposal. Well, I certainly don't know much about the current state of affairs regards the Korean market atm, and although the recession is hitting everyone, I would have thought it would take a while longer to show it's effects in the ESL world there. How wrong was I! 4 years or so to shake out..hmmm. I might even say or guess that the opposite might occur! Perhaps in a few years and there will be very little needs for NETs in hagwons even?
Same to you have a great day!
Cheers sound project |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone accepted job then to hear nothing more from hagwo |
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| soundproject wrote: |
Hi all,
Sorry if there's a thread on this already in motion.
I got offered a position with a hagwon. The hagwon directors seemed overly keen and said they really wanted to have me as their new teacher. Although I presume this is something that gets said a lot? After quite a few calls and emails between hagwon and I, I said yes to the contract, only to then hear nothing more from them. My guess is the hagwon had probably offered the job to a few other NETs at the same time.
Has anyone experienced this? I'd really appreciate to hear your experiences, thoughts and advice here!
Thanks! |
Obviously it's time to look for a new prospective hogwan. You shouldn't shy away from keeping a few prospective interested hogwans at the same time while you are looking around, because they aren't shying away from keeping many interested teachers themselves. |
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soundproject
Joined: 01 Jun 2011
Location: taking the scenic route to Bucaramanga...
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:24 am Post subject: Re: Anyone accepted job then to hear nothing more from hagwo |
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| soundproject wrote: |
Hi all,
Sorry if there's a thread on this already in motion.
I got offered a position with a hagwon. The hagwon directors seemed overly keen and said they really wanted to have me as their new teacher. Although I presume this is something that gets said a lot? After quite a few calls and emails between hagwon and I, I said yes to the contract, only to then hear nothing more from them. My guess is the hagwon had probably offered the job to a few other NETs at the same time.
Has anyone experienced this? I'd really appreciate to hear your experiences, thoughts and advice here!
Thanks! |
Obviously it's time to look for a new prospective hogwan. You shouldn't shy away from keeping a few prospective interested hogwans at the same time while you are looking around, because they aren't shying away from keeping many interested teachers themselves. |
Youngclinton thanks here. I have been doing just that..looking around for prospective hagwons at the same time. I've turned down a few dodgy ones already. I am certainly not reliant on 1 only to deliver the goods. Indeed this one (and other hagwons) are well set on keeping a few teachers interested at the same time. They are a business, nothing more and nothing less. I suspect whichever "prey" suits and fits "their" needs will be the best fit for them as a hagwon. I do the same. Although I'm new to this game it's clear hagwons are not that far behind recruiters, same BS, same bla, bla. I think the best thing is to do as you said is to keep a few hagwons interested and see what transpires.
Have a good day! |
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Bruce W Sims
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Illinois; USA
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:53 am Post subject: |
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I have also gotten messages from at least two recruiters that they are no longer taking applications. Very interesting given the continued advertizing about how recruiters have many positions left to fill. 
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
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Nester Noodlemon
Joined: 16 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:40 am Post subject: |
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I have also gotten messages from at least two recruiters that they are no longer taking applications. Very interesting given the continued advertizing about how recruiters have many positions left to fill.
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
Because of your:
resume
photo
age
There are still positions, just not for you. |
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Bruce W Sims
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:05 am Post subject: |
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Oh, good....that clears that up.
Now, I'm gonna guess that you have a position. Suppose you share your qualifications. I'd like to see what sort of person actually gets hired in Korea. Whats your age, background and experience?
How 'bout it?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
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litebear
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Holland
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:17 am Post subject: |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
Oh, good....that clears that up.
Now, I'm gonna guess that you have a position. Suppose you share your qualifications. I'd like to see what sort of person actually gets hired in Korea. Whats your age, background and experience?
How 'bout it?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
From the tone of this post it seems like you feel that the "sort of person" that gets hired in Korea actually holds fewer qualifications than you and that you feel the situation is unjust.
You would probably be right, on both counts (you know that already considering you've been on here for hours everyday since March). Considering that this unjust situation, which Koreans (from Govt to Parents and everyone in between) themselves have created, why is it you are so keen to move to Korea? Wouldn't your extensive qualifications, experience and wisdom be better served and appreciated more elsewhere? |
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Bruce W Sims
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:44 am Post subject: |
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From the tone of this post it seems like you feel that the "sort of person" that gets hired in Korea actually holds fewer qualifications than you and that you feel the situation is unjust.
You would probably be right, on both counts (you know that already considering you've been on here for hours everyday since March). Considering that this unjust situation, which Koreans (from Govt to Parents and everyone in between) themselves have created, why is it you are so keen to move to Korea? Wouldn't your extensive qualifications, experience and wisdom be better served and appreciated more elsewhere? |
Let me answer that two ways, Bear.
Here's response #1 to your question, a posting I just made on another thread. I share this to help you appreciate the tone for what follows in #2.
Response !:
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Ok, then....at least thats honest and something I can get my head around. But it does beg a question that I have had scratching around in the back of my head ever since I first started contributing here. That question is:
If no actual result was intended or will probably be accomplished why the game?
What I mean is that if all people are looking for is essentially childcare workers, why not simply advertize for "childcare workers"? Why all of this mumbo-jumbo about Master's degrees, experience/no experience, Korean literate/non-Korean literate, teacher's cert/no teacher's cert etc etc etc. In my own case I'm not interested in baby-sitting and it would have saved me about a year of heavy soul-searching with my family and a singuarly obnoxious paper-chase if someone would have been up-front and stated that child-care (albeit by another name) is all these places are seeking. A cute nanny whose backside --- er --- background includes being a native speaker of English would seem to pretty much cover this market, wouldn't you think? Know what I mean? Whats the deal?
..........................................."
Now response #2:
I have been advised, not a few times, as to how un-informed I am about the teaching situation in Korea, how uninformed I am about the Korean culture and how inappropriate my placement would be vis what the employers are seeking. OK, fair enough. Now that we have examined all the reasons I wouldn�t fit, how about we describe the sort of person who gets hired, perhaps even hired repeatedly? Fair?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
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ontheway
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
| litebear wrote: |
From the tone of this post it seems like you feel that the "sort of person" that gets hired in Korea actually holds fewer qualifications than you and that you feel the situation is unjust.
You would probably be right, on both counts (you know that already considering you've been on here for hours everyday since March). Considering that this unjust situation, which Koreans (from Govt to Parents and everyone in between) themselves have created, why is it you are so keen to move to Korea? Wouldn't your extensive qualifications, experience and wisdom be better served and appreciated more elsewhere? |
Let me answer that two ways, Bear.
Here's response #1 to your question, a posting I just made on another thread. I share this to help you appreciate the tone for what follows in #2.
Response !:
"......................................
Ok, then....at least thats honest and something I can get my head around. But it does beg a question that I have had scratching around in the back of my head ever since I first started contributing here. That question is:
If no actual result was intended or will probably be accomplished why the game?
What I mean is that if all people are looking for is essentially childcare workers, why not simply advertize for "childcare workers"? Why all of this mumbo-jumbo about Master's degrees, experience/no experience, Korean literate/non-Korean literate, teacher's cert/no teacher's cert etc etc etc. In my own case I'm not interested in baby-sitting and it would have saved me about a year of heavy soul-searching with my family and a singuarly obnoxious paper-chase if someone would have been up-front and stated that child-care (albeit by another name) is all these places are seeking. A cute nanny whose backside --- er --- background includes being a native speaker of English would seem to pretty much cover this market, wouldn't you think? Know what I mean? Whats the deal?
..........................................."
Now response #2:
I have been advised, not a few times, as to how un-informed I am about the teaching situation in Korea, how uninformed I am about the Korean culture and how inappropriate my placement would be vis what the employers are seeking. OK, fair enough. Now that we have examined all the reasons I wouldn�t fit, how about we describe the sort of person who gets hired, perhaps even hired repeatedly? Fair?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
Bruce,
From what I've read here on Dave's, you are past the maximum hiring age for public schools. If so, it might seem a kindness to tell you that there are no positions available than to tell you that you are too old.
Many people here will recommend a university position - and this could be best of all - but the competition for these positions will be fierce. Many universities will prefer EFL/ESL credentials and experience in Korea that you don't have, even though you may be the better teacher. Likewise, many universities will discriminate solely based on age.
In any case, there is very little teaching to be done in the public schools, in any subject, but especially in English. If you really want to teach something to kids, have them learn it, see the response, and be a real teacher, you'll need to find a good hogwan.
Hogwans are where nearly all the learning happens in Korea, in all subjects - along with whatever the students teach themselves at home.
And given your age, you'll have to work hard to find a good hogwan. You should look in smaller communities, outside of Seoul. If you tell recruiters that's what you're looking for, they'll hook you up with some schools. You have experience teaching, you are exempt and excluded from pension, and if you can be less demanding on salary, you will have some advantages. |
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litebear
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Holland
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
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From the tone of this post it seems like you feel that the "sort of person" that gets hired in Korea actually holds fewer qualifications than you and that you feel the situation is unjust.
You would probably be right, on both counts (you know that already considering you've been on here for hours everyday since March). Considering that this unjust situation, which Koreans (from Govt to Parents and everyone in between) themselves have created, why is it you are so keen to move to Korea? Wouldn't your extensive qualifications, experience and wisdom be better served and appreciated more elsewhere? |
Let me answer that two ways, Bear.
Here's response #1 to your question, a posting I just made on another thread. I share this to help you appreciate the tone for what follows in #2.
Response !:
"......................................
Ok, then....at least thats honest and something I can get my head around. But it does beg a question that I have had scratching around in the back of my head ever since I first started contributing here. That question is:
If no actual result was intended or will probably be accomplished why the game?
What I mean is that if all people are looking for is essentially childcare workers, why not simply advertize for "childcare workers"? Why all of this mumbo-jumbo about Master's degrees, experience/no experience, Korean literate/non-Korean literate, teacher's cert/no teacher's cert etc etc etc. In my own case I'm not interested in baby-sitting and it would have saved me about a year of heavy soul-searching with my family and a singuarly obnoxious paper-chase if someone would have been up-front and stated that child-care (albeit by another name) is all these places are seeking. A cute nanny whose backside --- er --- background includes being a native speaker of English would seem to pretty much cover this market, wouldn't you think? Know what I mean? Whats the deal?
..........................................."
Now response #2:
I have been advised, not a few times, as to how un-informed I am about the teaching situation in Korea, how uninformed I am about the Korean culture and how inappropriate my placement would be vis what the employers are seeking. OK, fair enough. Now that we have examined all the reasons I wouldn�t fit, how about we describe the sort of person who gets hired, perhaps even hired repeatedly? Fair?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
Okay. Let's see
Response 1
Not really sure if there is a question in there but you are not far off from being correct about certain types of jobs. Of course there are better jobs (more likely to hire in country though) than just child-minding but alot of jobs are just that. It's a lottery whether or not you ended up with one. But your overall tone is right. The vast majority of jobs are looking for a warm pulse, the rest of the stuff is just Marketing, window dressing, selling it to parents etc (All IMO).
Reponse 2
Young
North American
White
BA
Would be the sort of person who gets hired from abroad easily.
However, regarding getting re-hired, anyone who is in country and completed a contract succesfully will have no problem finding a new job whatsoever.
To be totally frank, Bruce. With the job market starting to tighten in Korea alot recently you have next to no chance of finding something. Your best bet would just be to come for 3 months on a tourist visa and enjoy as much as you can. |
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soundproject
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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I have also gotten messages from at least two recruiters that they are no longer taking applications. Very interesting given the continued advertizing about how recruiters have many positions left to fill.
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
I haven't experienced that myself, but that does sound a bit strange. It was only that particular hagwon that I didn't hear back funnily from after they'd called me several times. Ok I took a little while to give them an answer, but as youngclinton said they probably kept a few prospective teachers interested. Obviously this would have meant they had back up.
Good luck with the rest of the recruiters!
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