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Feloria



Joined: 02 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:54 am    Post subject: The "No Kids Allowed" movement is spreading--- Reply with quote

Look up "no kids allowed movement", and you will see tons of articles about how many businesses are "banning" children, especially those under 6 yrs.

Malaysia airlines, among others, has banned kids from some first class flights.
Various upscale restaurants have a "no kids allowed" policy.
There are also some movie theaters which have "adults only" shows, and not because of adult content.

The reasons for this are obvious--to prevent patrons from having to put up with unruly, misbehaving, uncontrollable kids.

But to "ban" all kids?
Do you think the ban goes to far, or are you thinking "it's about time"

I'm not a parent, so I have to say banning young children in certain situations such as high end restaurants and long flights sounds great to me.

Other thoughts??
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tatertot



Joined: 21 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have kids and I'm all for this. I want to open a "no-kids" coffee shop, myself. I don't understand how parents could possibly have a problem with this. It's not as if there are no "kid-friendly" movie theaters, restaurants, and other types of venues. It seems to me that parents just want everyone to experience the joy of their wonderful children (whether the other people want to do so, or not).
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problems. There are some events that just aren't suitable with kids present. Also, a lot of business class seats have not allowed people under 16 to purchase tickets for decades.
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pucciniphile



Joined: 23 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the three of you feel that way about children,
I hope none of you work with children.
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rainism



Joined: 13 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

about time.

seems each and very time I'm on a long flight, there's some some screaming infant within earshot driving me absolutely loopy.

I can sympathize somewhat with infants, though it makes me no less crazy, but there are a lot of idiot parents out there whose parenting license should be revoked who allow their 3-5 year olds run absolutely amok and also whine/cry up a storm and I for one am sick and tired of it.
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Swampfox10mm



Joined: 24 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is in Korea, or elsewhere?
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pucciniphile wrote:
If the three of you feel that way about children,
I hope none of you work with children.


What? One can work with children, and even adore children in general, yet still feel they have no place in certain adult-oriented environments.
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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A restaurant where I live started a ban on kids under 6 recently, and it made a big stink in the papers. Most commenters were for it, but I got a hoot out of some of the reader comments below the article. Along the lines of:
* it's not fair, we can't help if our one-year-old cries in a restaurant
* it's not fair, we can't help if our three-year-old has a tantrum

but that's exactly the point. As parents often can't control their kids, owners should be permitted to keep them out, and not subject the rest of their guests to them.
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Greekfreak



Joined: 25 May 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's more of a growing phenomenon where you get arsehole parents who think the very presence of their youngsters is required at every function, every place they go. When we were younger, our parents only took us shopping for clothes and that was it. In Korea it's like a big outing, and at Costco or Homeplus it becomes a big obstacle course. Very few parents have the brains to take their little cabbages outside when they're being unruly or whatever.

They also get very pi$$y when you say you don't have kids and don't want any because they can't understand why not. Sure, I love kids. I love sharks too, I don't have any of them.
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smee wrote:
As parents often can't control their kids

More of they won't control their kids. Every parent can control their kids up to a certain age (usually when they are physically bigger than you).
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Perceptioncheck



Joined: 13 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's a brilliant idea. I love kids, but I don't love listening to them throw tantrums when I'm trying to have a nice dinner or watch a movie.

I used to work in a fancy restaurant, and usually the parents that thought it was acceptable to bring their offspring in were the ones who couldn't control them.

In my experience though, Korean kids are - generally speaking - much quieter than their western counterparts in public spaces, such as subways or restaurants.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me, it's not about kids, but rather how some kids behave.

If my kid starts acting up in a restaurant, supermarket, whatever, I'll either quickly put a stop to their shenanigans, or we'll be walking out the door.

Parents need to stop saying 'it's just how kids are'.
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Mix1



Joined: 08 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greekfreak wrote:
I love sharks too, I don't have any of them.


Nice.

Isn't there an old phrase: "Children should be seen and not heard."? What ever happened to that idea? Seems like it needs a revival. Kids need limits - it's good for them and eventually turns them into respectful adults.

Even a couple decades ago, when I was a kid, it was unheard of to raise a ruckus and talk back to adults like what is going on now. There has been a cultural shift almost akin to child worship, and it needs to be reversed. It's unprecedented in the history of humanity. The little kings and queens think they own the roost now and adults should defer to them. And, when the little brats become adults, they become self entitled, pushy, arrogant, a-holes. And this is what we are seeing coming to pass.

Until parents can learn to control their kids, the bans don't go far enough. Hope they continue.
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Mix1



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
For me, it's not about kids, but rather how some kids behave.

If my kid starts acting up in a restaurant, supermarket, whatever, I'll either quickly put a stop to their shenanigans, or we'll be walking out the door.

Parents need to stop saying 'it's just how kids are'.


Bingo. Wish there were more out there like you. Unfortunately you are in the minority these days.

Tangent: Kids need to be a little bit scared that something will happen if they behave badly. That's what adults have to deal with and it's just how the world works.

I remember being in a mall with my grandma when I was seven years old. She wanted to leave but I wanted to stay and look at some more toys or something. I whined "No! I wanna...." and mid-sentence, got a nice SLAP across the face. Problem solved. I never once even tried to talk back to her ever again. We got along beautifully after that. She was old-school: self respecting and dressed impeccably everywhere she went, and she was NOT going to be talked backed to by some selfish brat, even her own kin.

Not saying kids need to be slapped necessarily, but certainly there has to be SOME consequence for bad behavior. This trend of letting them run around screaming, smart-mouthing, and slamming into people in public places has got to stop. It infringes on everyone else.

If society has now agreed that slapping kids is wrong, can we at least get a clause where the bad parents can be slapped when necessary?
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isisaredead



Joined: 18 May 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: The "No Kids Allowed" movement is spreading--- Reply with quote

Feloria wrote:
Look up "no kids allowed movement", and you will see tons of articles about how many businesses are "banning" children, especially those under 6 yrs.

Malaysia airlines, among others, has banned kids from some first class flights.
Various upscale restaurants have a "no kids allowed" policy.
There are also some movie theaters which have "adults only" shows, and not because of adult content.

The reasons for this are obvious--to prevent patrons from having to put up with unruly, misbehaving, uncontrollable kids.

But to "ban" all kids?
Do you think the ban goes to far, or are you thinking "it's about time"

I'm not a parent, so I have to say banning young children in certain situations such as high end restaurants and long flights sounds great to me.

Other thoughts??


i'd rather put a ban on parents who can't raise their kids with discipline and respect. and i'd like it if we called the movement something like that, instead of "no kids allowed".
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