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GEPIK: Signed a contract for September. Should I worry?
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zachmcleod



Joined: 18 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HANGRY wrote:
A Korean friend of mine called the school. They cancelled my contract and everything. I knew this was going to happen. Not even in Korea yet and a school is effing me over.

This is total bull.


Hey, at least you know and can begin looking at your other options. I still have no idea what school Im supposed to be teaching at yet, so theres no way I can know if they have cancelled my contract. I imagine getting my cbc back from them is going to be a huge pain as well.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look on the bright side; at least you found out now and not after you had flown all the way to Korea.

(which is what SMOE did to a bunch of people a couple of years back)
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HANGRY wrote:
PatrickGHBusan wrote:

The SCHOOL is dealing with the BUDGET CUT from the PROGRAM.

What were their options?


I'm just trying to figure out how the hell I went through this entire process and they are just now are realizing they can't afford to pay people.


Seems the budgetary decision was made recently.

Classic HR tactic if the budget cut was known a while back on a program level would be to wait until the last minute and let lower entities (schools in this case) take the heat and also avoiding bad press or a bad image as long as possible.

HR can be darn evil.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NohopeSeriously wrote:
HANGRY wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how the hell I went through this entire process and they are just now are realizing they can't afford to pay people.


Welcome to the world of inefficient bureaucracy .


There, fixed it for ya... Laughing

Add to that, welcome to the world of cold hard HR tactics.

I swear HR seem to work the same everywhere when it comes to cuts.

Want a sweet story?

A woman I know works for a company that organises big events (conferences, festivals...). She was a senior project manager there.

Well 2008 and the crash hit that company pretty hard as it did many others.

Early 2009, they have a meeting with management and an HR specialist who tells them their vacation time was calculated badly and as result their vacations will be cut by 40%. Wham, live in a meeting.

A wave of resignations resulted....

Come Christmas time 2009, they have a meeting with management and the department heads and Projects managers. There it is announced, a week or so before Christmas that they will be cutting 50% staff by new years. It is left to these dept managers and senior project managers to decide who gets canned and to tell them.

HR in all its glory...good grief.

So a program budget cancellation last minute is hardly surprising, this however does not make it any less annoying or frustrating for those teachers stuck without jobs they thought they had.
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Bruce W Sims



Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Illinois; USA

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bumped this thread because of all of the recent angst about GEPIK and because I was surprised to see a recent job notice for a person with teaching experience to serve for a year teaching Korean teachers how to teach English. What made this posting particularly curious was two of the apllications requirements in addition to the usual degrees and experience requirements.

Among the other application documents to be submitted was a "lesson plan" as well as a short clip of the applicant teaching a unit.

Now, its not that such a request is totally unknown; in fact, it can be quite common for admin positions or department chairs. The difference is that usually the request is made only of people "on the short list" and are then returned. I found it curious that every applicant was expected to submit a lesson plan and video clip. If 50 people applied for this position, would that not mean that the agency would then have 50 lesson plans for its files?

Given the track record for how various individuals report their being handled by the school system this seems to have an odd smell about it. Anyone else think so?

Best Wishes,

Bruce
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Feloria



Joined: 02 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw that ad as well.
The first thing I thought was that if enough people apply, I guess the current teachers don't have to make their own lesson plans Shocked
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shostahoosier



Joined: 14 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bruce W Sims wrote:
If 50 people applied for this position, would that not mean that the agency would then have 50 lesson plans for its files?

Given the track record for how various individuals report their being handled by the school system this seems to have an odd smell about it. Anyone else think so?

Best Wishes,

Bruce


50 submissions maybe, but I doubt they'll get 50 usable lesson plans...at least not from the lessons plans I saw submitted from other NETs at my GEPIK training session. Laughing
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Zyzyfer



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Universities commonly request lesson plans and even demo lessons from applicants. Such a request is only out of the ordinary with your average kiddie hakwon.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shostahoosier wrote:
Bruce W Sims wrote:
If 50 people applied for this position, would that not mean that the agency would then have 50 lesson plans for its files?

Given the track record for how various individuals report their being handled by the school system this seems to have an odd smell about it. Anyone else think so?

Best Wishes,

Bruce


50 submissions maybe, but I doubt they'll get 50 usable lesson plans...at least not from the lessons plans I saw submitted from other NETs at my GEPIK training session. Laughing


The vast majority of these lesson plans are unusable, of poor quality or shoddy. Schools do not keep or use them.
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
shostahoosier wrote:
Bruce W Sims wrote:
If 50 people applied for this position, would that not mean that the agency would then have 50 lesson plans for its files?

Given the track record for how various individuals report their being handled by the school system this seems to have an odd smell about it. Anyone else think so?

Best Wishes,

Bruce


50 submissions maybe, but I doubt they'll get 50 usable lesson plans...at least not from the lessons plans I saw submitted from other NETs at my GEPIK training session. Laughing


The vast majority of these lesson plans are unusable, of poor quality or shoddy. Schools do not keep or use them.


Some do. It depends.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojusucks wrote:
PatrickGHBusan wrote:
shostahoosier wrote:
Bruce W Sims wrote:
If 50 people applied for this position, would that not mean that the agency would then have 50 lesson plans for its files?

Given the track record for how various individuals report their being handled by the school system this seems to have an odd smell about it. Anyone else think so?

Best Wishes,

Bruce


50 submissions maybe, but I doubt they'll get 50 usable lesson plans...at least not from the lessons plans I saw submitted from other NETs at my GEPIK training session. Laughing


The vast majority of these lesson plans are unusable, of poor quality or shoddy. Schools do not keep or use them.


Some do. It depends.


Sure some may end up being useful but typically schools will not use these demo lesson plans.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of these things are because someone higher up in the food chain has demanded it.

The Korean staff know it's bull too, but they want to dot their "I's" and cross their 't's"so that whoever is demanding this stuff will have nothing to come back on them about.

Unlike in the West where people tend to complain to the management if they get unreasonable requests, Koreans just tend to do whatever is asked of them. (no matter how ridiculous or unreasonable it seems) That's why FT's are so often seen as whiners and complainers.

For Koreans, keeping team "harmony" is more important than any personal complaints. Complaining is seen as selfish. (whether it's justified or not)
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leopard7



Joined: 13 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:23 pm    Post subject: On GEPIK contract: Reply with quote

It has been all over the Korean news, including Korea Times, Korea Herald, etc., that 300 teachers have lost their jobs recently, most without notice. They have been sent home packing, and 800 more are scheduled to have their contracts terminated. That is almost all of the 1,100--something NETs in GEPIK. I'm sorry about your situation, but it's official--almost all NETs, if not all, will get the axe soon. I would look to the EPIK program (GEPIK is Gyeonggi do English Program in Korea) whih will place you somewhere else. Rumor has it, it is because of the new "free lunch for students" program in Gyeonngi that they are scrapping the NET program, though Korean officials deny it (denial is the most important word in Korean culture; my Korean wife told me that). Everything is "save face" the truth comes about 6th or 7th down the line--in other words--it doesn't matter.
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koreatimes



Joined: 07 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
"free lunch for students"


Yea ok. Next scandal/conspiracy theory?

So they don't think they can teach English like we can teach French and Spanish, they need to use lunch money to justify the cover up.

I'll get Soledad O'Brien and Christiane Amanpour on the case.
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NohopeSeriously



Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea

PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:56 am    Post subject: Re: On GEPIK contract: Reply with quote

leopard7 wrote:
Rumor has it, it is because of the new "free lunch for students" program in Gyeonngi that they are scrapping the NET program, though Korean officials deny it


It's more than the free lunch shenanigan.
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