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Ethan Allen Hawley
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Julius
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| IUU fishing has been calculated to cost sub-Saharan nations in Africa �608 million ($1 billion) annually. |
Illegal fishing is widespread along the african coast. The Europeans and Asians are all in on it, a systematic looting of resources because they have already overexploited their own.
Its the reason why Somalis turned to piracy. To defend their coasts.
Liberia should hold a big national, televised trial of these Korean "Pirates" |
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southernman
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| Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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In the 70's it was NZ waters that Korean owned boats were raping and pillaging (along with the Japanese to be fair)
So the dodgy owners have just moved on elsewhere.
Currently Korean joint venture boats working in NZ waters are getting a lot's of bad publicity for underpaying their workers, (mainly Vietnamese, Filipinos and Indonesians) beatings, sexually harrasment, inhumane working conditions etc.
Seizing (then selling) the boats and keeping/selling the catch is the only way that works with these dodgy owners. It's good to see the companies involved are getting caught and are suffering financially. They basically just do what they want and to hell with the law |
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northway
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:56 am Post subject: |
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| They and everyone else. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
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| IUU fishing has been calculated to cost sub-Saharan nations in Africa �608 million ($1 billion) annually. |
Illegal fishing is widespread along the african coast. The Europeans and Asians are all in on it, a systematic looting of resources because they have already overexploited their own.
Its the reason why Somalis turned to piracy. To defend their coasts.
Liberia should hold a big national, televised trial of these Korean "Pirates" |
Actually Somalis turned to Piracy because their state is a failed state (not much government control, rampant poverty and crime). Somali pirates do not "defend the Somali coast" they raid shipping that transist in the very crowded Gulf of Aden (that is one of the busiest international commercial ocean route). They prey on smaller vessels, ransom captives and so on.
Somali pirates are mostly run by larger organized crime groups and also include smuggling.
Lets not confuse these guys with defenders of the coast.
To be fair, Somalis who resort to piracy are doing so because they have no other viable employment options or get coerced into it.
NATO has had an ongoing anti-piracy mission in this part of the world for the past few years (Op Ocean Shield is one). This involved numerous nations, who contributed personel, resources...
Check it out for yourself
http://www.shipping.nato.int/CounterPir
Check this out on the costs and targets of these Somali pirates
http://www.saveourseafarers.com/assets/files/The_Economic_Cost_of_Piracy_Summary.pdf
So while pirates are usually not doing this as their first choice, they sure are not defending the coast of Somalia either...
Encroachement on fishing territory is also a widespread issue worldwide with numerous nations jumping into the fray, including the US. This is what happens when resources run low in one place, nations extend out to fill demand, regardless of where they find said resource.
So in essence, everyone is taking fish from African waters. They do it through purchased fishing vessels they then operate under a local company for example or they simply fish directly out of the fishing territory if they can get away with it. Korea is one player in a very large pool of such offenders. |
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Ethan Allen Hawley
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Julius
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Somali pirates are mostly run by larger organized crime groups and also include smuggling.
Lets not confuse these guys with defenders of the coast. |
In the beginning what triggered it was widescale looting of somali fish stocks by european and asian trawlers.
Somali fishermen started noticing their catch dwindling. Foreign trawlers also ripped up their nets and apparently even sunk a couple of their boats.
We're talking village fishermen here, not gangsters.
Then european boats started dumping all kinds of hazardous waste, including nuclear waste on the Somali beaches.
So its really no surprise that they took to piracy to make a living and also to protect their coast. Apparently it has been so successful that fish stocks have started to return to the horn of africa. The trawlers are too scared to venture there now.
Koreans made a national spectacle out of their show-trial of a few hapless somali pirates.
What they didn't report, of course, is that Korean boats are among those stealing fish off the african coast. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Julius wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Somali pirates are mostly run by larger organized crime groups and also include smuggling.
Lets not confuse these guys with defenders of the coast. |
In the beginning what triggered it was widescale looting of somali fish stocks by european and asian trawlers.
Somali fishermen started noticing their catch dwindling. Foreign trawlers also ripped up their nets and apparently even sunk a couple of their boats.
We're talking village fishermen here, not gangsters.
Then european boats started dumping all kinds of hazardous waste, including nuclear waste on the Somali beaches.
So its really no surprise that they took to piracy to make a living and also to protect their coast. Apparently it has been so successful that fish stocks have started to return to the horn of africa. The trawlers are too scared to venture there now.
Koreans made a national spectacle out of their show-trial of a few hapless somali pirates.
What they didn't report, of course, is that Korean boats are among those stealing fish off the african coast. |
This at its root is a resource conflict. No debate there.
Piracy is not about fishing rights however, it is about something else. Still, it may have had a side effect that was beneficial to fish stocks.
Most pirates are not fishermen turned defenders of the coast. In fact, most pirates are not seafarers/sailors at all but rather hired/coerced as goons/thugs.
Somali Pirates also prevented the delivery of humanitarian aid to Somalia from the World Food Organisation by attacking such ships. This is organized crime on the sea, not much nobility there as they also prey on Somali fishermen (forcing them to pay tribute and protection money).
Still, complex issue that goes far beyond Korea. |
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