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Sjudit84
Joined: 22 Aug 2011
Location: Hungary
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 Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:59 am Post subject: Is there no way to get a job if you're not a foreigner? |
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Hello everyone!
I am really desperate and I need your advice, experience on this matter.
I'm graduating in January 2012. I'm from HUngary, but I've been learning English since the age of 5 and my pronunciation sounds totally like an American's (bcs I've learnt the language from Cartoon Network as a child.)
I am majoring in English (linguistics track) and German (language and literature) but I will also get a teacher's degree (basically an MA in TEFL?), but I have also recently done a Via Lingua TEFL certificate course.
I have one year's teaching experience in a high school, teaching minority children.
My boyfriend is from South-Korea so I would like to get a teaching job there when I finish my studies but ALL the job ads are talking about native English speakers, and that is a MUST if you wanna apply for those jobs...does that mean I have absolutely ZERO chance of securing a job in Korea??? Will they immediately throw my CV out the window if they see I'm Hungarian?
In the last few days I have been going through hundreds of ads, all of them are looking for natives...getting more depressed by the hour, is there no hope for me??? What do you guys think?
I would really appreciate your views on the subject... |
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Gorf
Joined: 25 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:06 am Post subject: |
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You have to have citizenship from one of the major 7 English speaking countries to get an E-2. Sorry, but those are the rules. It doesn't matter how good your English is, but the only other option for you is to work illegally without a visa. You will not get a job, no recruiter will talk to you and no public school will hire you if you are not from one of these countries, sorry to say.
Your only other option is to marry your boyfriend and get a F-2 spouse visa. Anything other than that and you'll be on a 90-day tourist visa. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:08 am Post subject: |
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Unless your degree is from one of the countries on the list as native english speaking countries you will be denied the E2 teaching visa.
Unless you are married to your Korean bf you also not be able to get a F2 visa.
The fact you have studied English since the age of 5 will be worthless unless you can prove you attended ENGLISH school from Elementary School on and have a degree from one of the approved countries.
Bascially, you cannot get a teaching visa for Korea.
Sorry. |
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Sjudit84
Joined: 22 Aug 2011
Location: Hungary
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:30 am Post subject: |
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I've just realized I totally messed up the title of the topic LOL
This is seriously the worst situation ever then...so the E-2 visa is only given to people in English speaking countries? So how do non English people work in Korea? What kind of visa do they get??? My chances of working in another job other than teaching in Korea is basically zero since I don't speak the language well enough...
F...
It's sooooo unfair :'(((( What can I do now???? |
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Gorf
Joined: 25 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:00 am Post subject: |
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Get citizenship in one of those countries and a degree or marry a Korean national. Those are you only options.
People that aren't from the big 7 teach illegally, usually. Sorry. |
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Ice Tea
Joined: 23 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:05 am Post subject: |
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| The only reason teaching jobs here pay what they do is because of their self-imposed limits on who can be a teacher. Any job that pays a living wage will have some sort of limit on who can attain that job, doctors, lawyers, government workers, steel workers, etc.... |
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Sjudit84
Joined: 22 Aug 2011
Location: Hungary
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:35 am Post subject: |
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THis is probably the first time ever I feel discriminated...I have always been very proud of my nationality and I would NEVER change my citizenship just to get a job....I love KOrea, but wtf, I will not throw my homeland away just to get a freaking job.
Sorry guys, I am ranting now...
The thing that really annoys me (no offence, I have a loooot of American friends and I really love them) is that many people (not all) who get a job in Korea, donno s... about how to teach, of course they can speak English, but they cannot explain grammar, they don't know why they say certain things in a certain way, they know nothing about methodology (TEFL courses are too short IMO)....and they still employ them...
OMG I am going crazy, what will I do.... :S |
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litebear
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Holland
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| Sjudit84 wrote: |
THis is probably the first time ever I feel discriminated...I have always been very proud of my nationality and I would NEVER change my citizenship just to get a job....I love KOrea, but wtf, I will not throw my homeland away just to get a freaking job.
Sorry guys, I am ranting now...
The thing that really annoys me (no offence, I have a loooot of American friends and I really love them) is that many people (not all) who get a job in Korea, donno s... about how to teach, of course they can speak English, but they cannot explain grammar, they don't know why they say certain things in a certain way, they know nothing about methodology (TEFL courses are too short IMO)....and they still employ them...
OMG I am going crazy, what will I do.... :S |
Like others have said above there is really nothing you can do in terms of an E2 visa. The visa is designed for people to teach their native language. As much as it must seem unfair, if I could speak Hungarian fluently and had a MA in THFL I could still not get an E2 visa to teach it.
You either go with your boyfriend and work illegally or you get married and get an F2. If you were married and had an F2 you could do very well with your qualifcations IMO
Edit: Another option would be coming as a student visa. Would allow you to work part-time whilst you study and would let you continue your relationship without getting married just yet. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:37 am Post subject: |
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This is too bad for you OP but the rules as they are now mean you have no chance to get a legal teaching job and a work visa in Korea.
The system is far from perfect, I agree with you but this does not change the reality you are facing now.
You should try and look for employment in another field you are qualified in that hires in Korea.
The student visa would not allow you to work as a teacher part time. I could be wrong but before trying that option out I would contact Korean Immigration or check out the visa section on their website or on most K-embassies websites.
The F visa would open the door (if you were married to your Korean bf) but may not translate into an English Teachers job automatically. |
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Sjudit84
Joined: 22 Aug 2011
Location: Hungary
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:59 am Post subject: |
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Thank you for your nice comments, I have been whining for hours now, I should stop...
I mean, we did plan to marry sometime in the future, I just don't want to pressure him into it, because that is never good. And I have never looked into how much better my chances are in securing a job if I have an F-2 visa. What if I still cannot find any other job?
I thought about doing my PHD in Korea, not sure if I can get a job after that in Korea, does that qualify me? Do you guys know anything about that?
But even if I do my PHD, how will I live until I finish it? I think Koreans hate employing wegukins because of the administration that goes along with hiring a foreigner...
Sorry, I'm considering a lot of different things right now... |
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northway
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| I smell a troll. |
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Chris.Quigley
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I smell a troll. |
I smell the troll police. |
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Lazio
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| Szia, kuldtem egy uzit privatban. |
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Zyzyfer
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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I thought about doing my PHD in Korea, not sure if I can get a job after that in Korea, does that qualify me? Do you guys know anything about that?
But even if I do my PHD, how will I live until I finish it? I think Koreans hate employing wegukins because of the administration that goes along with hiring a foreigner...
Sorry, I'm considering a lot of different things right now... |
Go to a decent university to study and it should have a career center. I know people who got non-teaching jobs which still require English ability. The E-7 visa does not have the same limitations as the E-2 in regard to home country.
And yes, if you're studying, you may teach part-time as permitted by the student visa. You won't be rich, but it should be enough to get by as long as your studies are already paid for. |
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Modernist
Joined: 23 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I mean, we did plan to marry sometime in the future, I just don't want to pressure him into it, because that is never good. And I have never looked into how much better my chances are in securing a job if I have an F-2 visa. What if I still cannot find any other job? |
I would advise you to be very cautious about jumping into a marriage with a Korean just for an F2. Are you really, fully, committed to this guy and to living over here for the long-term? Have you been here before? Have you met his family? Do you speak anything beyond super-basic Korean [no, right]? How long have you been with him; have you ever discussed marriage seriously? Have you ever gone through an extremely stressful situation with him [believe me, your first month in Korea would qualify]?
If things go south with him once you're here, then what? Are you still interested in this place if he's not in the picture?
A PhD from a Korean university is quite difficult for foreigners. Not impossible but very challenging. A major issue is money, as in how will you pay for it? You certainly can't teach enough to cover the cost, F2 or not, and getting aid often requires a close-fluency in Korean that I don't think you have.
In theory, an E7 would open to you. Certain high-level schools using English curricula hire teachers on these, but they are fairly rare and require a lot of hoop-jumping by the school.
It sounds to me like you are trying, pretty desperately, to twist up your life for a guy. Is he really worth that? Look hard at things before you answer. Why doesn't he stay in Europe with you instead? Why don't the two of you mutually pick a third country to go to? Just because he would be more comfortable in Korea? Is it always about what he wants?
I don't see a good way forward for you in this situation. It's very difficult given these circumstances. |
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