|
Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
|
 Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:57 am Post subject: |
 |
|
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
People start businesses in Korea just like anywhere else in the world. People work together in Korea just like anywhere else in the world.
People solve problems just like anywhere else in the world.
|
Just so I'm clear on this.... You don't live in Korea, nor have you ever, yet you're on this board lecturing ppl about what people do in Korea?
As a person with 10 years experience here, AND someone who's founded a company here, I know you're out to lunch. |
Oh....I'm sorry Capt C.... how could you have possibly done that when North reports such insurmountable obstacles. And gee, Patrick.... you started a company as well? How can this be?
So it IS possible to do what I mentioned....excepting where people don't care enough to make a change.
And...I'm sorry..... this is different from the same situation here in the States, how again????  |
Actually, Captain Corea and PatrickGHBusan are both married to Koreans, so their experiences go to support what I've been saying.
As for this:
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
| Once again, this makes Education in Korea not so very different from Education here in the States--- except that you have a vested interest in holding on this this belief. |
For-profit education is a niche market in the States. For-profit education is a huge market in Korea. It's not the same. |
The fact is that people can do what I said. And if Patrick and Capt C wanted to hire non-Koreans of quality and forment a c-change in the ESL-EFL educational effort they could.
"......
For-profit education is a niche market in the States. For-profit education is a huge market in Korea. It's not the same......"
Geezus..... NOW WHOSE OUTTA TOUCH!! |
Who says my consulting agency operates in ESL-EFL?
There are numerous other fields that a company can operate in.
As for change, it will come from Koreans and their government, not from us. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Bruce W Sims
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Illinois; USA
|
| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:52 am Post subject: |
|
|
Nobody, Patrick. The various points are being made as to why something cannot be done. I am merely debunking each in turn.
As far as who instigates change....well.... its always easiest to lay things off on someone else. You can also enhance this move with comments such as "its not my job", "I don't get paid enough", "who cares", "let the Koreans clean it up themselves", "not my problem" etc etc etc.
Apparently I have hit just the right place for this sort of attitude.
Not that its anything new to me.
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
|
| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:48 am Post subject: |
|
|
Bruce, maybe you were a teacher in your Vietnam days, when the forces were reaching out to communities in a bid to change hearts and minds.
If you were in fact an English teacher there in military capacity maybe you could comment on that experience. And if it precipitated an interest in K.
I remember something vaguely as to what piqued the interest in Korea, but escapes me now.
How about a thread in 'other' forum about Vietnam. Or here if it gave you insight into the oriental difficulty with English.
You just may be in position to offer a fresh eye, a revolutionary change! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
minos
Joined: 01 Dec 2010
Location: kOREA
|
| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:55 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Bruce has taught in Korea for years becuase I knew him from SMOE orientation. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
|
| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:34 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
Nobody, Patrick. The various points are being made as to why something cannot be done. I am merely debunking each in turn.
As far as who instigates change....well.... its always easiest to lay things off on someone else. You can also enhance this move with comments such as "its not my job", "I don't get paid enough", "who cares", "let the Koreans clean it up themselves", "not my problem" etc etc etc.
Apparently I have hit just the right place for this sort of attitude.
Not that its anything new to me.
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
Not quite.
What I meant is that it is their country, their industry and their education system and as such, change will occur when they demand it and make it happen.
Thats not being passive or not getting involved, it just seems to me that change of the type you discuss occurs in this fashion. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
|
| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:44 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
| As far as who instigates change....well.... its always easiest to lay things off on someone else. You can also enhance this move with comments such as "its not my job", "I don't get paid enough", "who cares", "let the Koreans clean it up themselves", "not my problem" etc etc etc. |
You and Korean culture are going to get along fantastically.
-----
I was editing a proposal for a series of books intended for low-level English students. To distinguish it from an earlier, intermediate-level series, they wanted to stick "basic" somewhere in the book's title. I felt it was vague and suggested "beginner" instead. As they hesitantly began to prostrate about it, I realized my folly. Students would feel ashamed to purchase a book that made them seem inferior.
"Fair enough," I said without a second thought, "toss 'basic' right on in there."
Someone like you, in an effort to affect change, would rock that boat so hard it would capsize on you. Have fun getting bent out of shape!
-----
Oh, another quick one. A friend of mine works at some financial advisory firm. He edits a business letter one day and says something along the lines of "thank you for visiting our offices." Higher-up comes back and declares that the word office cannot take the plural form when referring to one company while pointing to some ancient tome of grammar, confident that this yellowing paper carcass supercedes anything that a native English speaker equipped with proficient grammar knowledge may attempt to defend based on personal experience. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
|
| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:05 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
People start businesses in Korea just like anywhere else in the world. People work together in Korea just like anywhere else in the world.
People solve problems just like anywhere else in the world.
|
Just so I'm clear on this.... You don't live in Korea, nor have you ever, yet you're on this board lecturing ppl about what people do in Korea?
As a person with 10 years experience here, AND someone who's founded a company here, I know you're out to lunch. |
Oh....I'm sorry Capt C.... how could you have possibly done that when North reports such insurmountable obstacles. And gee, Patrick.... you started a company as well? How can this be?
So it IS possible to do what I mentioned....excepting where people don't care enough to make a change.
And...I'm sorry..... this is different from the same situation here in the States, how again???? |
I'm on a F5 visa here.
And you're really showing your ignorance about things.
But tell ya what, when you land here on your E2, be sure to tell us ALL about the business you've started. I'd love to know about it. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:55 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Captain Corea wrote: |
I'm on a F5 visa here.
And you're really showing your ignorance about things.
But tell ya what, when you land here on your E2, be sure to tell us ALL about the business you've started. I'd love to know about it. |
I like that he plays gotcha with me when your example is precisely what I was talking about. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Charlie Bourque
Joined: 27 Jun 2010
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:54 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
People start businesses in Korea just like anywhere else in the world. People work together in Korea just like anywhere else in the world.
People solve problems just like anywhere else in the world.
|
Just so I'm clear on this.... You don't live in Korea, nor have you ever, yet you're on this board lecturing ppl about what people do in Korea?
As a person with 10 years experience here, AND someone who's founded a company here, I know you're out to lunch. |
Oh....I'm sorry Capt C.... how could you have possibly done that when North reports such insurmountable obstacles. And gee, Patrick.... you started a company as well? How can this be?
So it IS possible to do what I mentioned....excepting where people don't care enough to make a change.
And...I'm sorry..... this is different from the same situation here in the States, how again???? |
I'm on a F5 visa here.
And you're really showing your ignorance about things.
But tell ya what, when you land here on your E2, be sure to tell us ALL about the business you've started. I'd love to know about it. |
Could someone teach for X# of years, save up enough to start a business [with or without a Korean partner], then change his VISA once he starts his business?
What exactly is the procedure for opening a small business in Korea? I ask because the end-goal of teaching abroad is to open a language school/hagwon in affiliation with a sister school here in Canada. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:33 am Post subject: |
|
|
| You would need to switch to an investor-Business visa (D-series visa I think) or accumulate sufficient points for a F2 and then a F5 or marry a local and get the F2 then F5. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:16 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
| I learned a long time ago not to argue with people who have a death-grip on their particular beliefs. |
Have you? I trust then, you've learned a lot about yourself. If only we could learn what you've learned so we stop arguing with you.
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
| I've been lurker and posting here for the last 6 months and all I have been able to discern are folks who keep tramping in the same circles over and over again. |
And all we've been able to discern is that after 6 months, you're still in Illinois. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:52 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
People start businesses in Korea just like anywhere else in the world. People work together in Korea just like anywhere else in the world.
People solve problems just like anywhere else in the world.
|
Just so I'm clear on this.... You don't live in Korea, nor have you ever, yet you're on this board lecturing ppl about what people do in Korea?
As a person with 10 years experience here, AND someone who's founded a company here, I know you're out to lunch. |
Oh....I'm sorry Capt C.... how could you have possibly done that when North reports such insurmountable obstacles. And gee, Patrick.... you started a company as well? How can this be?
: |
Both Captain Corea and Patrick are married to Koreans...they are on different visas than the majority of teachers here who are on E-2 visas.
An E-2 visa allows you to teach English. It does not allow you to start a business or anything else. If you want another visa then you need to meet the qualifications.
An investor visa? Sure if you have 100 million won to invest. But wait there's a catch to that as well. That has to be money you earned OUTSIDE of Korea.
And there are other restrictions for other visas.
Most people are on an E-2 visa because it's the simplest kind of visa to get. But it's also one of the most limited because all you can do on it is teach English. If you are married to a Korean or qualify for a F-visa then yes you can do other things. But the former is just not the case for many people and the bar is pretty high in the latter case (especially for a first-timer).
And JFYI these are not beliefs. These are the rules governing visas. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
goat
Joined: 23 Feb 2010
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:40 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Bruce has his head up his @@z and is blind and deaf to the knowledge of people who live and have lived in Korea and western countries. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jeremysums
Joined: 08 Apr 2011
|
| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: Can't find a decent job |
|
|
Seoul is highly competitive. There's a lot of people want to work there.
| rayray123 wrote: |
Is anyone else having trouble finding a decent hakwon job near Seoul? I started off with high standards, now I just want something half decent. I don't want to work till 11pm or work 50 hours week (around 9am till 730pm I have been offered a few times). Am I asking too much? 9pm would be fine. What happened to those jobs?
I have a year of teaching experience at a public school, which I wasn't able to stay at cause of the GEPIK cuts. Is it all the former GEPIK teachers applying for hakwon jobs that's making it difficult? Or do I just suck? Am I being unrealistic in hoping I can find a job that doesn't look terrible? |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jakeciana
Joined: 11 Oct 2011
|
| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: Can't find a decent job |
|
|
You have to keep looking because everyone is applying for a job in Seoul.
| rayray123 wrote: |
Is anyone else having trouble finding a decent hakwon job near Seoul? I started off with high standards, now I just want something half decent. I don't want to work till 11pm or work 50 hours week (around 9am till 730pm I have been offered a few times). Am I asking too much? 9pm would be fine. What happened to those jobs?
I have a year of teaching experience at a public school, which I wasn't able to stay at cause of the GEPIK cuts. Is it all the former GEPIK teachers applying for hakwon jobs that's making it difficult? Or do I just suck? Am I being unrealistic in hoping I can find a job that doesn't look terrible? |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
