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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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 Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:41 pm Post subject: Citizens make big money reporting violations |
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http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20110715000856
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Currently there are 336 different infractions that citizens can report to both government agencies and corporations, offering up to 3 billion won.
Programs vary from reporting dropped cigarette butts and illegal trash disposal to unlicensed clinical practitioners and prostitution.
The over 7,000 graduates of Moon�s school cover the entire spectrum, from a couple who report litterers at highway rest stops, to people who stake out hospitals and catch perpetrators of health insurance fraud. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Kim did not even bat an eyelid during her interview with The Korea Herald inside the waiting room, adding that she makes over 10 million won ($9,400) a month. |
I wonder if she turned in any E2s for teaching private English lessons. Anyone know how much the snitch reward for that is? |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I know that a recruiter who ripped me off avoids paying tax. Can I report them? |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Are you on an E2? I'm pretty such you are ineligible for any income aside from that given to you by your sponsoring employer. Correct me if I'm wrong on this one, guys. E2s can get money for reporting crimes? I'm guessing no. BTW, Julius, how do you know the recruiter avoids paying tax? (Is that common?) And how did he rip you off? |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Kim did not even bat an eyelid during her interview with The Korea Herald inside the waiting room, adding that she makes over 10 million won ($9,400) a month. |
I wonder if she turned in any E2s for teaching private English lessons. Anyone know how much the snitch reward for that is? |
OK, I found out the answer. Citizens get 20% of the fine amount. The fine for an E2 giving private lessons is 5,000,000 won, so the reward money for turning someone in is 1,000,000 won. That's a lot of money in a country where the per capita GDP is $20,000 a year. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Kim did not even bat an eyelid during her interview with The Korea Herald inside the waiting room, adding that she makes over 10 million won ($9,400) a month. |
I wonder if she turned in any E2s for teaching private English lessons. Anyone know how much the snitch reward for that is? |
OK, I found out the answer. Citizens get 20% of the fine amount. The fine for an E2 giving private lessons is 5,000,000 won, so the reward money for turning someone in is 1,000,000 won. That's a lot of money in a country where the per capita GDP is $20,000 a year. |
That's a lot of money for a lot of people. I'd sellout someone that I'm not close too for a $1000. |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| A perfect example of Foucault's, via Bentham's, panopticon in full effect. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| A perfect example of Foucault's, via Bentham's, panopticon in full effect. |
I majored in philosophy and I don't understand that; why post something without an explanation that few, if any, will understand? |
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itistime
Joined: 23 Jul 2010
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snitches get stitches.
Seriously, if you're going to 'infract', don't get caught. |
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AlastairKirby
Joined: 29 Aug 2011
Location: UK
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:15 am Post subject: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon
Wow.
I read Molly's post and thought she was talking about a Decepticon.
"RAAR, I AM PANOPTICON. I WILL DESTROY YOU!"
"Not today Panopticon!"
"NO! HIPPOPOPTIMUS PRIME!"
BANG! CRASH! KERSPLAT! GINYARG!
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"Remember Earth Children. Nobody likes a snitch. Now you know."
"And knowing is half the battle." |
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dharma bum
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
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Another Wikipedia article with insight into what Molly Bloom's talking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Foucault
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| Foucault also compares modern society with Jeremy Bentham's "Panopticon" design for prisons (which was unrealized in its original form, but nonetheless influential): in the Panopticon, a single guard can watch over many prisoners while the guard remains unseen. Ancient prisons have been replaced by clear and visible ones, but Foucault cautions that "visibility is a trap." It is through this visibility, Foucault writes, that modern society exercises its controlling systems of power and knowledge (terms Foucault believed to be so fundamentally connected that he often combined them in a single hyphenated concept, "power-knowledge"). Increasing visibility leads to power located on an increasingly individualized level, shown by the possibility for institutions to track individuals throughout their lives. Foucault suggests that a "carceral continuum" runs through modern society, from the maximum security prison, through secure accommodation, probation, social workers, police, and teachers, to our everyday working and domestic lives. All are connected by the (witting or unwitting) supervision (surveillance, application of norms of acceptable behaviour) of some humans by others. |
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smee18
Joined: 24 Mar 2009
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| A perfect example of Foucault's, via Bentham's, panopticon in full effect. |
I majored in philosophy and I don't understand that; why post something without an explanation that few, if any, will understand? |
You majored in philosopher where? How could you have a degree in philosophy and not understand the basics of Foucault? And why are you using the cover of atlas shrugged as your avatar? Why not an image referencing Nietzsche or Kant, or Levinas, or Zizek. Which philosophers have you actually read, or did your "degree" just involve you and some other neophytes sitting in some cave somewhere reading Rand's objectivist drivel? |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| According to Foucault, power is transferred by the power structure to the masses. My point was that the Korean government is controlling the masses by making other people, as another poster said, snitch. It's perfect as they just sit back and watch people bring down others. You can find evidence of this in WWII Germany and Mao's China; most of the children were responsible for killing their parents during these regimes because the people in power got the kids to tell the authorities which parents were rebelling. I'm not by any means comparing modern Korea to those two past power structures, however, all three are great examples of the panopticon. You can find it in many other countries, too. The US Homeland Security's slogan, "if you see something, say something" is another good example. Foucault's Power/Knowledge is an amazing read. |
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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| MollyBloom wrote: |
| According to Foucault, power is transferred by the power structure to the masses. My point was that the Korean government is controlling the masses by making other people, as another poster said, snitch. It's perfect as they just sit back and watch people bring down others. You can find evidence of this in WWII Germany and Mao's China; most of the children were responsible for killing their parents during these regimes because the people in power got the kids to tell the authorities which parents were rebelling. I'm not by any means comparing modern Korea to those two past power structures, however, all three are great examples of the panopticon. You can find it in many other countries, too. The US Homeland Security's slogan, "if you see something, say something" is another good example. Foucault's Power/Knowledge is an amazing read. |
Where does one draw the line between right/wrong? Obviously, as a US citizen, if someone sees suspicious behavior that indicates violence is going to occur, I'd want that to be reported. At the same time, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter - the US is the Evil Empire and the terrorists are trying to show us what we cannot see. At least that's THEIR side of it.
Personally, I like the system here in Korea. I see No Smoking signs all over the place and people smoking in front of them with impunity. No driving on the sidewalk yet I had my shirt ripped by a motorcycle who came just a little too close. You can't store stuff in the hallways of buildings yet I have to squeeze past boxes and bikes and bags of garbage from my neighbors.
There are so many laws and rules here that go unenforced yet they have a clear, useful purpose. It shouldn't take someone getting run over or people dying in a fire (because of junk in the halls) to set the example. Also, I don't want to pay more in taxes for more police and more enforcement.
Long story short, if you're a decent member of society who doesn't ignore the rules, you've got nothing to worry about. If you don't like the rules, remember, there is probably a few that you DO like that OTHERS are violating. It's all about living in a society. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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�I�m making three times what I made as an English tutor,� said Mr. Im, 39, who began his new line of work around seven years ago and says he makes about $85,000 a year.
Bounties have a history in South Korea; for decades, the government has offered generous rewards to people who turn in North Korean spies. But in recent years, various government agencies have set up similar programs for anyone reporting mainly petty crimes, some as minor as a motorist tossing a cigarette butt out the window.
Snitching for pay has become especially popular since the world�s economic troubles slowed South Korea�s powerful economy. Paparazzi say most of their ranks are people who have lost their jobs in the downturn and are drawn by news reports of fellow Koreans making tens of thousands of dollars a year reporting crimes.
There are no reliable numbers of people who have taken up the work since governments at all levels have their own programs, but the phenomenon is large enough that it has spawned a new industry: schools set up to train aspiring paparazzi.
Moon Seong-ok, 64, runs a school that trains would-be bounty hunters. �Koreans� character of being impatient and constantly in a hurry makes them commit a lot of infractions, such as running a red light, changing traffic lanes illegally, cutting in line and throwing cigarettes,� he said. �As long as this Korean trait exists, paparazzi will have a good business.�
The outsourcing of law enforcement has also been something of a boon for local governments. They say that they can save money on hiring officers, and that the fines imposed on offenders generally outstrip the rewards paid to informers. |
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/29/world/asia/in-south-korea-where-digital-tattling-is-a-growth-industry.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1
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�The idea itself is good, but when people make a full-time job of this, it effectively privatizes law enforcement and raises ethical questions,� said Lee Yoon-ho, a professor of police administration at Dongguk University in Seoul.
Paparazzi usually develop a specialty, for example, going after hakwon, or private cram schools, that charge more than government-set prices. The Education Ministry has paid $2.9 million to paparazzi since 2009, when it began relying on bounty hunters to help tame the ballooning cost of private education � a particular burden for citizens in a country laser-focused on educational achievement.
Called hak-parazzi, these people disguise themselves as parents and approach hakwon managers to ask about prices. They secretly record their conversations with hidden video cameras.
Hakwon owners hate them. �The government unilaterally sets unrealistic prices and then unleashes paparazzi in a witch hunt,� complained Cho Young-hwan, a vice chairman of the Korean Coalition of Hakwon. �This is deeply humiliating and anti-education.�
Ju Myong-hyun, an Education Ministry official in charge of the program, said: �We don�t say this is the perfect approach in a democracy. But we will maintain it until hakwon clean up their act.� |
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