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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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There used to be a difference in Libertarians and Conservatives.
But Ron Paul has ushered in a new era, where 99% of all so called "libertarians" essentially compromise on whatever social issues they once held. "Libertarians" don't believe in gay marriage, don't believe in a woman's choice, And the ones that do, are quick to look past all that to see which candidate has a bigger hard on for wall street. Which makes them worse than the others that are just pretending to be libertarians.
You never see libertarians attack conservatives. You never see libertarians show up to vote for a democrat. They will occasionally vote for the libertarian ticket if there is one that year, but every other time, they vote for the conservative.
Libertarians are to Conservatives as Greens are to Liberals. Just another faction within the group. Greens are liberals that really love hugging trees. Libertarians are conservatives that really love gold.
Ask yourself why every-single-one of the "libertarian" candidates in recent history were at the time Republicans or just recently "stopped" being Republicans.
Libertarians, Evangelicals, Wall Streeters - all just Republicans. |
Nice ramble of pulling stuff out of thin air (libertarians compromising on social issues? Ok, provide an example) and making obvious statements (libertarians and Republicans agree on some issues as do greens and democrats, wow!). |
I agree with weso1 on this. Libertarians generally say they are social liberals and fiscal conservatives, but when it comes down to voting, they 'always' end up voting for the Republicans. Maybe the truth is different, but that is certainly how they present themselves on the internet sites I see. That is why non-libertarians say things like, "A libertarian is just a Republican who has discovered weed."
Consider Ron Paul. First he was a Republican, then he became a Libertarian, then he went back to being a Republican. At no time has he cared to make public that he ever considered voting Democratic. Disgruntled Republican, yes. Republican with commitment issues, yes. If his son is to be believed, a Republican who liked to toke up once in a while when he was in college. Liberal, no.
Lately, I think Independents are just Republicans who have been chased out of their party by the Bible -beaters. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:19 am Post subject: |
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There used to be a difference in Libertarians and Conservatives.
But Ron Paul has ushered in a new era, where 99% of all so called "libertarians" essentially compromise on whatever social issues they once held. "Libertarians" don't believe in gay marriage, don't believe in a woman's choice, And the ones that do, are quick to look past all that to see which candidate has a bigger hard on for wall street. Which makes them worse than the others that are just pretending to be libertarians.
You never see libertarians attack conservatives. You never see libertarians show up to vote for a democrat. They will occasionally vote for the libertarian ticket if there is one that year, but every other time, they vote for the conservative.
Libertarians are to Conservatives as Greens are to Liberals. Just another faction within the group. Greens are liberals that really love hugging trees. Libertarians are conservatives that really love gold.
Ask yourself why every-single-one of the "libertarian" candidates in recent history were at the time Republicans or just recently "stopped" being Republicans.
Libertarians, Evangelicals, Wall Streeters - all just Republicans. |
Nice ramble of pulling stuff out of thin air (libertarians compromising on social issues? Ok, provide an example) and making obvious statements (libertarians and Republicans agree on some issues as do greens and democrats, wow!). |
I agree with weso1 on this. |
Anything weso1 says is utterly retarded. And you agree with him. I'm not surprised.
To say libertarians have "a hard on for Wall Street" is the most idiotic and willfully ignorant statement you could possibly make. It's the exact opposite of the truth. And yet weso1 has gone out of his way to spew this lie several times - it's like his sole reason for coming to troll on dave's. The guy is a joke. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| I agree with weso1 on this. Libertarians generally say they are social liberals and fiscal conservatives, but when it comes down to voting, they 'always' end up voting for the Republicans. |
This is such crap. Pretty well all I and others do is try to educate people about the sham that is the two party system (two parties serving the exact same agenda and interests). Ya-ta, on the other hand, tries to convince people who are waking up to the morally bankrupt system that he himself is so enthralled to that there are only two choices: Democrat or Republican. He is trying to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
It's not going to work. Ya-ta and his despicable views of the world are every bit as obsolete as the dinosaur mainstream joke of a media he parrots on a daily basis. People know it's a sham, and they're waking up. Ya-ta will no doubt continue p1ssing in the wind (he seems to enjoy it), but the tide will continue turning in the favor of liberty and truth.
Deep down ya-ta is afraid of Ron Paul and what he represents, because he gets to the heart of the matter and refutes all the liberal double think. It's a breath of fresh are compared to people like ya-ta who serve the system and are nothing more than a vile pack of smooth talking hypocrites. They lie constantly, have zero credibility left on any issue, and happily cheer for war, oppression, and ruinous spending as long as it has the letter "D" stamped onto it. In short they are the mentally ill, zombie-like segment of the public that has all but ruined the American society. More and more people are waking up to this fact, which is why there is a giant shift taking place in our culture. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:18 am Post subject: |
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There used to be a difference in Libertarians and Conservatives.
But Ron Paul has ushered in a new era, where 99% of all so called "libertarians" essentially compromise on whatever social issues they once held. "Libertarians" don't believe in gay marriage, don't believe in a woman's choice, And the ones that do, are quick to look past all that to see which candidate has a bigger hard on for wall street. Which makes them worse than the others that are just pretending to be libertarians.
You never see libertarians attack conservatives. You never see libertarians show up to vote for a democrat. They will occasionally vote for the libertarian ticket if there is one that year, but every other time, they vote for the conservative.
Libertarians are to Conservatives as Greens are to Liberals. Just another faction within the group. Greens are liberals that really love hugging trees. Libertarians are conservatives that really love gold.
Ask yourself why every-single-one of the "libertarian" candidates in recent history were at the time Republicans or just recently "stopped" being Republicans.
Libertarians, Evangelicals, Wall Streeters - all just Republicans. |
Nice ramble of pulling stuff out of thin air (libertarians compromising on social issues? Ok, provide an example) and making obvious statements (libertarians and Republicans agree on some issues as do greens and democrats, wow!). |
Show me a libertarian that voted for a democrat and prove me wrong. |
I vote Democratic. In fact, the only time I have voted Republican was for Rand Paul. I've voted twice for my Congressional district's liberal democrat.
I support a woman's right to choose. I support gay rights. And I have devoted a lot of time to trying to publicize the name of Gary Johnson. But do you know what the liberal response to Gary Johnson is? He hasn't a chance.
I have attacked Republican candidates for my entire tenure on this board. Search for Giuliani Hate-down or Bachmann Hate-down, and then search for Obama Hate-down (note, only two of these three exist). Nothing roils my blood more than authoritarianism.
Also, Wall Street bought Obama, although Google and Silicon Valley own substantial shares in hope and change. This idea that Democratic Presidents support labor has no basis in present fact.
As for my position on Wall Street, it is very clear. Go to the Depression Thread. Nobody on this board likes Wall Street, except perhaps jaykimf (and he's no conservative or libertarian). This board is united on very few things, but its overwhelming loathing for Wall Street is a unifier. So when some dumbass newb comes and tries to manufacture this support for Wall Street among libertarians, it just discredits him from the start.
And yes, I do seriously consider voting Republican. In every election. I am non-partisan. Weso, do you understand what that means? I doubt it. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:53 am Post subject: |
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There used to be a difference in Libertarians and Conservatives.
But Ron Paul has ushered in a new era, where 99% of all so called "libertarians" essentially compromise on whatever social issues they once held. "Libertarians" don't believe in gay marriage, don't believe in a woman's choice, And the ones that do, are quick to look past all that to see which candidate has a bigger hard on for wall street. Which makes them worse than the others that are just pretending to be libertarians.
You never see libertarians attack conservatives. You never see libertarians show up to vote for a democrat. They will occasionally vote for the libertarian ticket if there is one that year, but every other time, they vote for the conservative.
Libertarians are to Conservatives as Greens are to Liberals. Just another faction within the group. Greens are liberals that really love hugging trees. Libertarians are conservatives that really love gold.
Ask yourself why every-single-one of the "libertarian" candidates in recent history were at the time Republicans or just recently "stopped" being Republicans.
Libertarians, Evangelicals, Wall Streeters - all just Republicans. |
Nice ramble of pulling stuff out of thin air (libertarians compromising on social issues? Ok, provide an example) and making obvious statements (libertarians and Republicans agree on some issues as do greens and democrats, wow!). |
Show me a libertarian that voted for a democrat and prove me wrong. |
How would that prove you wrong?? I didn't say libertarians ever voted for democrats did I?? And if I did find a liberttarian that did vote for a democrat, so what?
Show me a libertarian politican who compromised on social issues since that is the assertion you made. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| In my life-time the socially progressive party has been the Democratic Party. Libertarians could have aligned themselves with us and, from within the party, argued for small government (my teeth grate when I type that), they could have just become Blue Dogs. But no. They slide in and out of the GOP. The question to be answered is: Why? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| In fact, the only time I have voted Republican was for Rand Paul. |
My hair stands up on end, my teeth grate against each other, and I hear fingernails on a blackboard. Cognitive dissonance.
I can see it on a city council vote where there are 5 votes. Two big spending Dems say they want to install an electric stop sign at 3rd & Main and the 2 fiscally conservative Republicans say a stop sign is enough...and the libertarian in the audience says we don't need no darn big government stop sign of any kind--a few dead 6 year-olds smeared across the street and they will learn to look both ways. The vote is 2-2. Which way do you go? |
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Biblethumper
Joined: 15 Dec 2007
Location: Busan, Korea
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| This is a very interesting poll. It certainly seems to demonstrate what I have observed in Korea: that most foreigners are decidedly not conservative. It has been frustrating trying to work alongside teachers who generally reject tradition and traditional pedagogy. |
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| This is a very interesting poll. It certainly seems to demonstrate what I have observed in Korea: that most foreigners are decidedly not conservative. It has been frustrating trying to work alongside teachers who generally reject tradition and traditional pedagogy. |
How on earth does this poll say anything whatsoever about foreigners? |
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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Not only that, but Ron Paul was the only one whose favorables were higher than his unfavorables!
In new poll, Ron Paul rates with front-runners Romney and Perry
In yet another sign that perhaps the news media ought to think about treating his presidential campaign more seriously, Ron Paul was viewed about as favorably as Rick Perry and Mitt Romney by Americans in a new poll.
In an Associated Press-GfK telephone survey of the general population, 37 percent of the respondents said they have a positive view of the libertarian-leaning representative from Texas, while 36 percent said they did not.
Perry, the Texas governor, and Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, invoked similar favorable/unfavorable ratings that also fell within the poll's 4.1 percent margin of error. Romney was viewed favorably by 39 percent of Americans, and Perry was viewed favorably by 33 percent.
Another 41 percent said they viewed Romney unfavorably, and 36 percent viewed Perry unfavorably.
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich had the widest gap among the poll's respondents, with 57 percent viewing him unfavorably and 27 percent viewing him favorably.
A Gallup survey earlier this week showed that Paul polls within the same margin of error as Perry and Romney in a general election match-up with President Barack Obama.
The poll was conducted from August 18 to August 22. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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Ron Paul gets more votes than Perry and Romney combined!  Now the MSM has a new story to ignore!
Ron Paul wins GOP California straw poll
NBC News and msnbc.com
updated 9/18/2011 12:33:47 AM ET
LOS ANGELES � Texas congressman Ron Paul won the California Republican straw poll Saturday after making several speeches at the GOP state convention, officials announced.
The presidential hopeful drew 374 out of 833, or 44.9 percent, ballots, Tom Del Beccaro, California Republican Party chairman announced at the GOP state convention. Ballots were cast by party members, associated members and registered guests, who could choose among 11 candidates.
Texas Gov. Rick Perry came in second, with 244 votes, or 29.3 percent.
The rest of the field of 11, which included write-ins for the first time:
Mitt Romney (74, 8.8 percent)
Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (64, 7.7 percent)
Jon Huntsman (17, 2.0 percent)
Herman Cain (15, 1.8 percent)
Newt Gingrich (14, 1.7 percent)
Thad McCotter (7, 0.8 percent)
Rick Santorum (7, 0.8 percent)
Gary Johnson (2, 0.2 percent)
Fred Karger (1, 0.1 percent)
Write-ins (15, 1.8 percent) |
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Angry Bird Rios
Joined: 15 Sep 2011
Location: Flinging through the air
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Santorum: Google spreads 'filth'
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A Google search for Santorum has generated some inappropriate results since gay columnist Dan Savage organized an online campaign to link graphic sexual terms to the socially conservative senator�s name.
Now, the Republican presidential candidate says he�s convinced Google could do something to remedy the issue, if the company wanted to.
�I suspect if something was up there like that about Joe Biden, they�d get rid of it,� Santorum said. �If you're a responsible business, you don't let things like that happen in your business that have an impact on the country.�
He continued: �To have a business allow that type of filth to be purveyed through their website or through their system is something that they say they can't handle but I suspect that's not true.�
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:33 am Post subject: |
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My hair stands up on end, my teeth grate against each other, and I hear fingernails on a blackboard. Cognitive dissonance.
I can see it on a city council vote where there are 5 votes. Two big spending Dems say they want to install an electric stop sign at 3rd & Main and the 2 fiscally conservative Republicans say a stop sign is enough...and the libertarian in the audience says we don't need no darn big government stop sign of any kind--a few dead 6 year-olds smeared across the street and they will learn to look both ways. The vote is 2-2. Which way do you go? |
What?
Dude, Jack Conway was up against Rand Paul. He made it easy. Jack Conway was attacking Rand Paul for being soft on crime because Rand wasn't so hot on drug criminalization policy. And BOTH of them wanted to continue the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy.
Wiki Jack Conway
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In November 2009, Conway asked Governor Steve Beshear to set execution dates for three men on death row. This was criticized by opponents of the death penalty. The Kentucky Supreme Court decided to stay executions until the Kentucky Department of Corrections follows mandatory administrative procedures. |
Not that I'm apologizing for voting Rand Paul. Except for some odd statements on the Fox News shows, he's done very well. He works across the aisle. He's somewhat serious about civil liberties. He's serious about debt reduction (with the huge caveat that he won't raise taxes). |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:59 am Post subject: |
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| I loved Ron Paul in the GOP debate on TV last night. He's the best GOP candidate by far imo. |
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