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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008 Location: Korea
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Japan sounds cool. Korea seems to pay more money, but the recession has made Korea difficult to get into. How bad is Japan? Even worse or has Fukushima cleared teachers out of Japan? |
Japan is as normal as usual, even in parts of Fukushima. I had completely forgotten about the nuclear problems until you mentioned it. There are jobs available to foreigners just like before. Since there are many on here that talk about Japan being better than Korea in many ways, why don't you guys make the transition to Japan? It's not that hard. |
Hi Judoka,
just my two cents...If the public school (JET-like) programs in Korea were certain to continue and the logistics of processing the visa were no problem, I'd say go for it. I like (or should say "liked", though I'm planning on returning) Korea a lot better than Japan.
I mean, Japan was great (I've been back 5 times since I left JET to visit friends) and there's nothing quite like JET. I just wouldn't want to navigate through that ridiculous social structure again just to plan a lesson (though Korea has the potential to be similar).
And a public school program in Korea (I was in GEPIK) can seem much more relaxed (with regard to the orientation and processing) relative to the strict setup of JET.
But if money was your main thought...this is what I'd do. As long as you can tolerate your school, I'd stay on one more year and see what becomes of EPIK. Take a trip to Korea, see if you like it. Then, if these programs are still going, and places like, say China, aren't looking better...then sure.
Two things - 1. With the exchange rate, it's really hard to compete with Japan. 2. Even though I don't regret not signing on for a 3rd year with JET, and as much I liked GEPIK and Korea, you're unlikely to experience anything like JET again. Just consider that. |
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judoka
Joined: 30 Dec 2009
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| I'll take a trip to Korea later this year. If there is anyone who wants to sort-of have an exchange deal by showing me, I dont know, your daily life in Korea, I will happily do the same in Japan for you. PM me if interested. |
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judoka
Joined: 30 Dec 2009
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| If anyone is interested in the JET Program, it is possible to apply while in Korea. You would just need to go to your home country for the interview at around February. This has been done before. |
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Setaro
Joined: 08 Aug 2010
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| judoka wrote: |
| If anyone is interested in the JET Program, it is possible to apply while in Korea. You would just need to go to your home country for the interview at around February. This has been done before. |
That's an exceptionally expensive interview though, especially if you don't get the position. And seeing as the number of JET positions has been falling a great deal in recent years, you could end up spending a lot of money for nothing.
Probably a better idea to apply for PS positions in Japan via a recruiter or some such. |
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Chimie
Joined: 05 Oct 2011
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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I don't really know what people mean when they say Japanese are less shy. I know everything here is anecdotal, but having gone to HS and Uni in Japan, I'd say the people there are much more uninviting to foreigners, quite often racist too.
If you're there to visit or for a few months, they'll show you courtesy and kindness enough. After the newness of the silly foreigner wears off they ignore you. Plan on staying there or integrating into their country/society and that kindness disappears fast and changes to quite the negative reaction. Many may not realize it though due to language barriers or rose colored glasses. =/
Again, personal opinion, take it as you will. |
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bluethree
Joined: 20 May 2009
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| Setaro wrote: |
| judoka wrote: |
| If anyone is interested in the JET Program, it is possible to apply while in Korea. You would just need to go to your home country for the interview at around February. This has been done before. |
That's an exceptionally expensive interview though, especially if you don't get the position. And seeing as the number of JET positions has been falling a great deal in recent years, you could end up spending a lot of money for nothing.
Probably a better idea to apply for PS positions in Japan via a recruiter or some such. |
If you're American you can do the interview in Guam which would be less ridiculously expensive. That's what I'm planning to do. |
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judoka
Joined: 30 Dec 2009
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| Setaro wrote: |
That's an exceptionally expensive interview though, especially if you don't get the position. And seeing as the number of JET positions has been falling a great deal in recent years, you could end up spending a lot of money for nothing.
Probably a better idea to apply for PS positions in Japan via a recruiter or some such. |
True, but many travel home to vist family anyway. I say if you think you have a good application, 2 good letters of rec, good essay, and can show genuine interest in Japan then go for it. I believe now is the time to apply. |
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hagwonnewbie

Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Location: Asia
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:01 am Post subject: |
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1 Japanese yen = 15.3321555 South Korean won
so 250k yen is like 3.75 million won per month. Even after accomodation you're making over 3 mill. So you're making at least 400 dollars more per month in Japan. |
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Shimokitazawa
Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:53 am Post subject: |
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Japan is more lucrative for most EFL teachers, contrary to those here reporting otherwise. Also, Japan is just an easier place to live and work and the Japanese people easier to live with. The culture is more interesting, the cities are cleaner and modern and transportation system great.
Another significant plus to teaching EFL in Japan is that Work Visas are NOT tied to a teacher's employer. One can quit a school, walk across the street and get hired by a new school all in the same day without any trouble. Furthermore, the work visas are valid for 3 years.
Part-time work at other schools is totally up to the teacher, s/he can work at as many different schools as they can fit into their schedules. Private English classes are taught out in the open, in public in coffee shops and restaurants. No one cares.
Maybe even more importantly, contracts in Japan are inviolate. Japanese schools do not rip off their teachers and most contracts are honored. Unlike in Korea, where midnight runs by dissatisfied teachers are not uncommon. Midnight runs are rarely, if ever, heard in Japan by TEFL teachers.
Japan, without a doubt, should be considered as a step up in one's TEFL career if they are coming from having taught EFL in Korea. |
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Riker

Joined: 28 Dec 2010
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| As someone who pulled a midnight runner from a public school in Korea I would carefully consider the post above mine before coming to Korea. |
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midnightpariah
Joined: 15 Mar 2010
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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I am currently living in Japan and I have been here for 3 years. Insurance and taxes are very expensive after your first year here. I pay about 30,000 yen a month for health insurance and 40,000 yen every other month for my ward taxes. My rent is 73,000 yen a month and utitilies, phone, and Internet run me around 40,000 yen a month. Food is rather expensive, but you can find good deals if you have several stores nearby (I only have one). I pay about 30,000 to 40,000 a month in food. Public transportation is way more expensive here than in Korea. I spend around 1100 yen one way to get into the nearest city (Sendai). When I lived in Yokohama, my expenses were higher. If you live in a big city, expect to pay a lot. The job market here is not very good right now especially if you are living outside Japan.
Oh, I work for an International school. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Shimokitazawa wrote: |
Japan is more lucrative for most EFL teachers, contrary to those here reporting otherwise. Also, Japan is just an easier place to live and work and the Japanese people easier to live with. The culture is more interesting, the cities are cleaner and modern and transportation system great.
Another significant plus to teaching EFL in Japan is that Work Visas are NOT tied to a teacher's employer. One can quit a school, walk across the street and get hired by a new school all in the same day without any trouble. Furthermore, the work visas are valid for 3 years.
Part-time work at other schools is totally up to the teacher, s/he can work at as many different schools as they can fit into their schedules. Private English classes are taught out in the open, in public in coffee shops and restaurants. No one cares.
Maybe even more importantly, contracts in Japan are inviolate. Japanese schools do not rip off their teachers and most contracts are honored. Unlike in Korea, where midnight runs by dissatisfied teachers are not uncommon. Midnight runs are rarely, if ever, heard in Japan by TEFL teachers.
Japan, without a doubt, should be considered as a step up in one's TEFL career if they are coming from having taught EFL in Korea. |
Funnily enough teachers who have taught in both Korea and Japan say Korea is more lucrative simply because you can save more here. Yes Japan pays more but the cost of living is also a lot more.
As for contracts being honoured...I'm sure these teachers thought so as well. Thousands of teachers found themselves out of work and being owned MONTHS of salary.
http://www.fukuoka-now.com/en/articles/show/1388
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2745177.ece
Also the work visas are still sponsored. It is not just as easy as quitting and walking across the street as you claim. |
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Shimokitazawa
Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:10 am Post subject: |
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In Japan, you can quit your job and take another one all in the same day without having to file any papers at immigration. Teachers keep the same sponsor. The sponsor only changes when the visa runs out and a teacher's new school becomes the new sponsor.
But, and this is another significant feature of the work visa system in Japan for EFL teachers, one can self sponsor their own visa. There are thousands of teachers in Japan who do not use a school to sponsor their work visas. Japanese immigration laws allow for teachers to do something unofficially referred to there as a self-sponsored visa.
I didn't mention this in my earlier post, but there are no Criminal Record Check requirements for English teachers in Japan. No fingerprints, no FBI checks, no medical checks. None of these inconveniences that we have to deal with in order to get a TEFL job here in Korea exist in Japan.
Anyways, once a teacher has his/her "Specialist in Humanities" work visa, they are good for 3 years and can work for as many different schools as they like. |
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Garciua
Joined: 16 Sep 2011 Location: Iceland
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Removie please.. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Shimokitazawa wrote: |
In Japan, you can quit your job and take another one all in the same day without having to file any papers at immigration. Teachers keep the same sponsor. The sponsor only changes when the visa runs out and a teacher's new school becomes the new sponsor.
But, and this is another significant feature of the work visa system in Japan for EFL teachers, one can self sponsor their own visa. There are thousands of teachers in Japan who do not use a school to sponsor their work visas. Japanese immigration laws allow for teachers to do something unofficially referred to there as a self-sponsored visa.
I didn't mention this in my earlier post, but there are no Criminal Record Check requirements for English teachers in Japan. No fingerprints, no FBI checks, no medical checks. None of these inconveniences that we have to deal with in order to get a TEFL job here in Korea exist in Japan.
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That's because they check your fingerprints and retina at the airport.
As for the self-sponsored visa:
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Self sponsorship
If you don't work full time for just one employer but work for a few different employers or have contracts with several clients as a freelancer, it is still possible to ask for a work visa. This procedure is often referred to as a self sponsorship.
Although there is no such thing as "self sponsor visa", you will be applying for an ordinary working visa such as "Specialist in Humanities and International Services" or "Engineer".
You will need to prove that your contracts with different employers/clients are stable and that they will generate enough income to support yourself.
This means that you already need to have contracts signed by different employers/clients when applying for a work visa as self sponsorship.
If you are planning to start a new business but don't have fixed clients as yet, you might like to consider applying for the "Investor/Business Manager" visa.
Private lessons don't count unless they are organized continuously by a Japanese company. |
So yes like I said, it's simply just not that easy as applying for a visa...you need to prove you can support yourself.
http://www.juridique.jp/visa3.html |
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