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FaceFaceFace
Joined: 12 Jun 2011
Location: Australia
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 Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:26 pm Post subject: Where to find subcultures?? |
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Hi--
Are there any places where different subcultures hang out??
For example, any districts or certain bars or clubs that more alternative people hang out in??
For example--goth, straight edge, rockabilly, punk etc
I'm guessing around Hongdae, but can anyone give me specifics? Thanks. |
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oni
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Location: Seoul
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Hiromi C
Joined: 28 May 2011
Location: Gwanak-gu, Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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From what I understand, most non-mainstream cultures are much smaller in Korea. For example, I'm a goth and internet research has turned up a single goth club in Seoul.
http://club.cyworld.com/s7club
On the plus side, it looks like a great club. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Speaking of which: anyone know where I could check out some live hip hop? The internets are lacking in information. |
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FaceFaceFace
Joined: 12 Jun 2011
Location: Australia
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm...that's what I suspected (there being smaller subculture groups here in Korea).
Thanks very much for the input everyone!
I will check out the places suggested  |
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indieROK
Joined: 16 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:07 am Post subject: |
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Actually, in my experience the place where people in search of subculture hang out the most is on Naver and Daum cafes. So do some research there, but it's gonna require a portal ID and some language skills.
Otherwise hang out at the Hongdae playground and talk to people who've got the look. |
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myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:38 am Post subject: |
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The "subcultures" you're referring too are for teenagers and all teenagers do here is study and do so while wearing a school uniform with a standard haircut. I see what you mean and know older people are into this stuff back home but in that case, 99% of them started out in Jr./Sr. High School or the first few years of university at the latest. Koreans don't have that option. They'd probably get beat. It's changing but I don't see it happening any time soon. Not a lot of fashion rebellion here.
So there is the why.
Korean subcultures do exist they just take on different forms and don't seem have dress codes that stick out to the untrained eye.
As far as finding punks and goths and so forth in Korea, you're probably not going to find a whole lot. You'd have better luck in Japan. |
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ZIFA
Joined: 23 Feb 2011
Location: Dici che il fiume..Trova la via al mare
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| myenglishisno wrote: |
| The "subcultures" you're referring too are for teenagers . |
Subcultures are for childish westerners who never grow up. Isn't it a bit daft to still be putting on fancy dress to feel important when you're in your 20's and 30's? |
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myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| ZIFA wrote: |
Subcultures are for childish westerners who never grow up. Isn't it a bit daft to still be putting on fancy dress to feel important when you're in your 20's and 30's? |
Dressing up like a goth or punk is just putting on a uniform to mask your insecurity. They will say that it's creativity and self-expression (rather defensively) after they all wear essentially the same outfit.
I don't get it when people do it in their mid-to-late 20s. I see foreigners here dressed like that occasionally and it's always perplexed me. |
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DejaVu
Joined: 27 Jan 2011
Location: Your dreams
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| ZIFA wrote: |
| myenglishisno wrote: |
| The "subcultures" you're referring too are for teenagers . |
Subcultures are for childish westerners (see previous post: you'll find plenty of it in Japan [as well as in Korea middle-agers such as adjummas with bright clothing and perms or men wearing hiking clothes all of the time]) who never grow up. Isn't it a bit daft to still be putting on fancy dress to feel important when you're in your 20's and 30's?
Nice suit/shirt&tie you got on, pal. Your idea of "growing up" is for kids too afraid to live their lives as they enjpy it (or just don't have the creativity to do so). Subcultures bring together places and people that have similar interests and ideologies. Obviously, those who do it only to brag of their individualism are hypocrites but there are plenty that do it for other reasons. |
| myenglishisno wrote: |
I don't get it when people do it in their mid-to-late 20s. I see foreigners here dressed like that occasionally and it's always perplexed me. |
The idea that other people have different loves/hates/insecurities/strengths/thoughts than yourself is perplexing? The idea that people don't dress up to impress their peers bothers you that much that you guys have to jump into someone's thread and tell them that they're childish? Who is the one that needs to "grow up"? |
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myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| DejaVu wrote: |
The idea that other people have different loves/hates/insecurities/strengths/thoughts than yourself is perplexing? The idea that people don't dress up to impress their peers bothers you that much that you guys have to jump into someone's thread and tell them that they're childish? Who is the one that needs to "grow up"? |
I wasn't saying that subcultures are wrong/childish nor was I saying that it's wrong to follow your heart when it comes time to choose your wardrobe. I like when people express themselves.
I was simply saying that trying to be a goth or trying to be a punk or trying to be a hipster or trying to be a ___________ by wearing the appropriate uniform is adolescent. It's a phase many of us go through and grow out of. What would you think of a 30-year-old that was still trying really hard to look goth? I'd think they were immature. It isn't expressing oneself, it's hoping on a giant bandwagon.
It's one thing when an adult has their own fashion sense. It's another thing when they're still actively trying to fit in the label of 'goth' or 'punk' or what have you with the way they dress. It's sad.
Adults know that you don't have to wear a uniform to be an individual. |
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exit86
Joined: 17 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Ha! "myenglishisno",
Spoken like a true "normal" person.
I subscribe to the idea that all folks are allowed to do whatever the heck they want to do (in terms of self-image or fashion).
Gee, how wonderful a world it would be if everyone were "normal."
[sound of vomiting] |
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myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| exit86 wrote: |
Ha! "myenglishisno",
Spoken like a true "normal" person. |
Go discover Nietzsche, get it all out of your system and then come back later.
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| I subscribe to the idea that all folks are allowed to do whatever the heck they want to do (in terms of self-image or fashion). |
Sure and I subscribe to the idea that if adults want to dress like teenagers then it's no one's fault but their own if other adults don't take them seriously.
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Gee, how wonderful a world it would be if everyone were "normal."
[sound of vomiting] |
Yup. I'm nothing but a follower. You're so witty and clever to point that out over the internet. We're all nothing but sheeple.
Please enlighten me as you clearly know everything and have everyone all pigeonholed and figured out. |
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Hiromi C
Joined: 28 May 2011
Location: Gwanak-gu, Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:48 am Post subject: |
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Historically speaking, the gothic subculture was never for teens or children.
Taken as a whole, adult goths dress more formally than their non-goth peers. The largest modern goth fashion styles are probably Neo-Victorian (extremely formal), Steampunk (frequently formal), and Elegant Gothic Aristocrat (also formal). Honestly, if you think that all goths dress like children, I really don't know who you're looking at.
As far as people dressing similarly, it's the same in *any* subculture. Are you also upset that sports fans wear sports jerseys? What about music fans wearing band t-shirts and jeans? These subcultures arguably dress more like teenagers than goths do. If you *do* have issues with everyone who doesn't dress in a manner that you find "adult", it's probably your problem, not anyone else's. |
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| I'm a vampire skinhead. Any clubs? |
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