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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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Yet that was a quote (note the quote tags). Yours was not.
See the difference? |
No, it turned out to be wrong! Therefore you are a liar. The evidence is clear in this thread, blah, blah, blah. Etc. Etc.
(maybe if I repeat it enough times like you do, it will somehow become relevant... or perhaps I should have waited for 3 weeks before bringing it up?)... 
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| Besides, I thought you were done responding to me? |
I notice you failed to address my last link, from a mainstream media source, dated July 29. Cat got your tongue? |
Your last link??
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13030528
The one dated from APRIL 10th!!
hahahahaha
Yeah, that's even MORE recent, right? lol
You didn't quote sources when you claimed that Gaddafi was winning. You simply put it out there in your words.
Now you're trying to squirm away from it.
Pathetic. |
Nope, not that link - rather the one I posted that you ignored:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/29/gaddafi-libya-nato
Oh look, you clicked on the wrong link - you're such a liar! Look at you trying to squirm out of it. The evidence is clear, blah blah, you're pathetic, blah blah.
Wow, debating with you is so productive. |
Yet, what does that prove? That you're able to use google?
You didn't quote it in your assertion. Are you now so scared of standing by your statement you're fishing for links on the Internet that may have said something similar?
Face it. You made an assertion and you were wrong. You were called on it. And then you lied to try to distance yourself from it. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| Yet, what does that prove? That you're able to use google? |
It proves that I was not necessarily incorrect to say that Gaddafi was winning at the time. Not that I've even been proven wrong now, since Gaddafi is still at large, apparently preparing a counterattack, and has still not technically lost the war.
And regardless, you didn't call anybody on [Mod Edit]. You have contributed jack to this or any other discussion. You made no predictions, no analysis, no insightful commentary. Nothing. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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Actually, in a way he did. Yes, 30% is a high unemployment figure - the difference is that Libya had one of the most comprehensive welfare systems in the world. People were not up in arms over unemployment, because things like food, housing, and medical were all subsidized. As I understand it Libya is different from other countries in the region, because the people got a lot more money thrown their way. That tends to make a big difference in how much tyranny a population is willing to live under... |
Last recorded information in the report posted with this, 1985.
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| but why should it be so hard to provide solid evidence? |
Well, because if you film people massacring people, like climb up on top of buildings to film the sniper, I�d say there is a pretty good chance you will be massacred yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq0-NmTTvQs&feature=related
You�re asking for ridiculous evidence. And you don�t believe what you are writing.
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| Why? The distress of those women in the situation is understandable, but it doesn't mean people were being massacred. I didn't see a single death occur in that video. |
Wait. You said the women were screaming �to add to the effect�. You even accuse them of lying.
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| why is there no video footage, or proper documentation, or anything? |
There is absolutely loads, look on youtube, its just that for every one posted you find some sort of weird reason not to believe it, suggesting that they are staged or something. What you seem to be asking for is video footage showing people being lined up and shot for the cameras, and they weren�t lined up and shot (and even then you�d probably make some excuse), they were shot at by snipers from rooftops and from helicopter gunships. In the absence of journalists, are you going to stick around and film that with your cellphone or run for your life? I�ll take the testimony of countless witnesses thank you.
You�ll like this one, though I guess you have never watched Al Jazeera from your earlier comments (state funded, not state run):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfc5eibgGm0
A few more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-Diqepmd4Y&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVwJEFfOa_w&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCveKSBenSI
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Since the Libyan uprising began on February 17, Human Rights Watch has documented cases in which government forces opened fire on peaceful protesters and the arbitrary arrest and enforced disappearance of scores of people.
The Libyan government has prevented journalists and human rights researchers from gaining access to areas of fighting and places of detention, thereby preventing independent monitoring of government conduct. |
http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/03/17/libya-benghazi-civilians-face-grave-risk
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| More than a few thousand insurgents (including literal terrorists) and freed prisoners torching police stations, that's for sure. I would say several hundred thousand people would be a start. A million would be more like it. Three million, and Gaddafi wouldn't stand a chance (with or without foreign intervention). |
People as far as you can see, February 23rd this year, Benghazi , all Al Qaeda are they?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgP0Gro52c8
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Yeah and the explanation that they sold him weapons to genuinely help him, and then invaded (with massive air superiority) is so much more plausible 
Do you even think before you post? |
Oh, and what??? Can you explain your point here? Before insulting cwflaneur, can you explain why you think his post is so so very stupid? We tried to sell arms to someone we were fixing to invade? You do NOT address his point here.
I don�t know why I am bothering. There are lots of people who think we didn�t need to spend this much money helping North African Arabs, and i totally get that. But you are pretty much the only one left here who is still trying and failing to convince people that competing media outlets have conspired with the UN and NATO to fabricate Ghaddffi�s assault on his own people for demanding their dignity, to justify an air assault to control Libya�s oil (which was already being principally sold to Europe).
I think you�re getting tired of fighting this corner but you spend so much time on this board that you�re worried about your chatboard kudos. Get along little Chihuahua, everyone is wrong sometimes. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Yet, what does that prove? That you're able to use google? |
It proves that I was not necessarily incorrect to say that Gaddafi was winning at the time. Not that I've even been proven wrong now, since Gaddafi is still at large, apparently preparing a counterattack, and has still not technically lost the war.
And regardless, you didn't call anybody on [Mod Edit]. You have contributed jack to this or any other discussion. You made no predictions, no analysis, no insightful commentary. Nothing. |
And that's where you fail.
I don't need to have posted a stance to call you on yours.
If a poster comes on here and says "Obama will increase jobs!!", and a few months later, we see that it's wrong, ANYONE can chime in and say "Hey, looks like you were wrong."
You posted that Gadaffi was winning. He wasn't. He isn't. And your lame attempt at backpeddaling is getting tiresome. |
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wintermute
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Yet, what does that prove? That you're able to use google? |
It proves that I was not necessarily incorrect to say that Gaddafi was winning at the time. Not that I've even been proven wrong now, since Gaddafi is still at large, apparently preparing a counterattack, and has still not technically lost the war.
And regardless, you didn't call anybody on [Mod Edit]. You have contributed jack to this or any other discussion. You made no predictions, no analysis, no insightful commentary. Nothing. |
And that's where you fail.
I don't need to have posted a stance to call you on yours.
If a poster comes on here and says "Obama will increase jobs!!", and a few months later, we see that it's wrong, ANYONE can chime in and say "Hey, looks like you were wrong."
You posted that Gadaffi was winning. He wasn't. He isn't. And your lame attempt at backpeddaling is getting tiresome. |
Give it a rest, for chist's sake. Take it to PM if you want to keep whining about such a petty point.
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Yeah and the explanation that they sold him weapons to genuinely help him, and then invaded (with massive air superiority) is so much more plausible Smile
Do you even think before you post?
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Oh, and what??? Can you explain your point here? Before insulting cwflaneur, can you explain why you think his post is so so very stupid? We tried to sell arms to someone we were fixing to invade? You do NOT address his point here.
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cwflaneur's point assumes that the weapons vendor is in the loop as far as nato planning goes. It's possible, in fact extremely likely, that they were not informed, and for them it was just business as usual. Since that possibility exists, cwflaneurs post proves nothing.
In general though, if regime change was the goal, selling sniper rifles to Ghaddafi supports that goal, since sniper rifles are an excellent tool for turning a peaceful protest into a violent uprising. And even if Ghaddafi doesn't use them to shoot protesters, the documented sale provides cover for your own sniper teams sent to instigate an uprising.
Here is a cheap and easy blueprint for doing just that:
1. Organise a peaceful protest through social media, or take advantage of one that is already being organized
2. Send in a black ops sniper team to shoot one or two protesters. Of course, it will be assumed it is the defending regime that did it.
3. The funeral for those protesters, one or two days later, will attract a much bigger, more outraged crowd. Have your sniper team shoot a couple more, and things will really kick off!
4. Sit back and enjoy the chaos, and denounce the defending regime for brutality and civilian massacres as they struggle to deal with a rioting mob.
It's cheap, and it would work. The only question is whether we fall into the "Gasp! No one would ever do something so mean!" or the "That sounds about right" camps. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah and the explanation that they sold him weapons to genuinely help him, and then invaded (with massive air superiority) is so much more plausible Smile
Do you even think before you post?
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Oh, and what??? Can you explain your point here? Before insulting cwflaneur, can you explain why you think his post is so so very stupid? We tried to sell arms to someone we were fixing to invade? You do NOT address his point here.
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cwflaneur's point assumes that the weapons vendor is in the loop as far as nato planning goes |
Except that Visitor Q consistently implies, or suggests outrightly, that even global media outlets are kept in the loop or are part of the conspiracy to lay the groundwork for an attack on Libya. How on that premise arms dealers wouldn't be kept in the loop and The Guardian would, is ridiculous. Even in his bizarre little world. He can't have it both ways.
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| . It's possible, in fact extremely likely, that they were not informed, and for them it was just business as usual. Since that possibility exists, cwflaneurs post proves nothing. |
I didn't say it did, he simply makes a perfectly valid point and got the usual stupid scorn and ridicule. Why would we sell arms to someone we were fixing to invade?
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| In general though, if regime change was the goal, selling sniper rifles to Ghaddafi supports that goal, since sniper rifles are an excellent tool for turning a peaceful protest into a violent uprising. And even if Ghaddafi doesn't use them to shoot protesters, the documented sale provides cover for your own sniper teams sent to instigate an uprising. |
Are you seriously suggesting that we sold him sniper rifles so that he would kill his own people so that it would spark an uprising so that they would call on the international community for help so that we could get a UN mandate to license NATO to plan an assault on Libya?
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Here is a cheap and easy blueprint for doing just that:
1. Organise a peaceful protest through social media, or take advantage of one that is already being organized
2. Send in a black ops sniper team to shoot one or two protesters. Of course, it will be assumed it is the defending regime that did it.
3. The funeral for those protesters, one or two days later, will attract a much bigger, more outraged crowd. Have your sniper team shoot a couple more, and things will really kick off!
4. Sit back and enjoy the chaos, and denounce the defending regime for brutality and civilian massacres as they struggle to deal with a rioting mob.
It's cheap, and it would work. The only question is whether we fall into the "Gasp! No one would ever do something so mean!" or the "That sounds about right" camps. |
 Oh my God, its actually much worse, you're suggesting that our people killed the protesters? Are you? Really?
I wonder if you also think that our governments covertly engineered the uprising in Tunisia, so that it would spark an uprising in Egypt, which in turn would lead to an uprising in Libya which we could push along by sending in special forces to shoot the protesters, which would enrage the protesters further to lead to a clampdown by Ghaddaffi forces which would lead to us getting the mandate for an assault in Libya? |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Yet, what does that prove? That you're able to use google? |
It proves that I was not necessarily incorrect to say that Gaddafi was winning at the time. Not that I've even been proven wrong now, since Gaddafi is still at large, apparently preparing a counterattack, and has still not technically lost the war.
And regardless, you didn't call anybody on [Mod Edit]. You have contributed jack to this or any other discussion. You made no predictions, no analysis, no insightful commentary. Nothing. |
And that's where you fail.
I don't need to have posted a stance to call you on yours.
If a poster comes on here and says "Obama will increase jobs!!", and a few months later, we see that it's wrong, ANYONE can chime in and say "Hey, looks like you were wrong."
You posted that Gadaffi was winning. He wasn't. He isn't. And your lame attempt at backpeddaling is getting tiresome. |
Give it a rest, for chist's sake. Take it to PM if you want to keep whining about such a petty point. |
Visitor Q repeatedly insults other posters for being so very stupid for not thinking and believing the very same cranky things that he does. It's hardly surprising then if people call him on on the rather central things he got wrong. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, because if you film people massacring people, like climb up on top of buildings to film the sniper, I�d say there is a pretty good chance you will be massacred yourself. |
Really? It seems to me if there were a massive popular uprising, there would be loads of footage... All the major media outlets were there, and as if every Libyan and their dog doesn't have a cell phone cam (like everywhere else on earth). You can't be serious here.
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| You�re asking for ridiculous evidence. And you don�t believe what you are writing. |
How is it ridiculous? If massacres of peaceful protesters were taking place, there should be overwhelming amounts of concrete, indisputable evidence. Instead I have seen a few youtube clips showing possibly a couple dead bodies, out of context.
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| Why? The distress of those women in the situation is understandable, but it doesn't mean people were being massacred. I didn't see a single death occur in that video. |
Wait. You said the women were screaming �to add to the effect�. You even accuse them of lying. |
No, I said they were screaming. And that it added to the effect (which happens to make it a good video for pro-war people to use, since it appeals to emotion, even though there is nothing there showing a massacre taking place). I didn't say the women themselves were staging it Sheesh.
Oh come on... Again, it starts off as though we're going to see something ugly happen, but ultimately nothing does. A couple people throwing rocks (no crowd in site) and then a soldier shooting warning shots over a protester's head, giving him a kick. Not very nice treatment, but hardly the same as shooting him in the head.
Beyond that, just a bunch of narration from Al Jazeera (state funded, same as state controlled) making it sound like Gaddafi troops were running around torching cars (seems to me that was what the rebels were doing). They even admit they couldn't confirm anything, including the alleged deaths, or the woman at the end who says the rebels told her her son had been "taken" (by whom?).
So maybe I sound picky - well if you're trying to justify taking my country to war over it, then yeah, I'm going to be pretty damn picky...
Not sure about this one either. It seems real, since there are people screaming. Even if it is, while it is horrible, it hardly constitutes a massacre or justifies and invasion of Libya (killing even more innocent people).
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| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVwJEFfOa_w&feature=related |
A man (apparently) shot in the arm. No context (maybe he just got caught up in the fighting). We don't see him being shot. Nor does he die. Certainly not evidence of a massacre.
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| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCveKSBenSI |
This one would seem to indicate that Gadaffi's troops were firing indiscriminately. More context is needed to determine what really happened, but still this is probably the best evidence you've provided so far.
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Since the Libyan uprising began on February 17, Human Rights Watch has documented cases in which government forces opened fire on peaceful protesters and the arbitrary arrest and enforced disappearance of scores of people.
The Libyan government has prevented journalists and human rights researchers from gaining access to areas of fighting and places of detention, thereby preventing independent monitoring of government conduct. |
http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/03/17/libya-benghazi-civilians-face-grave-risk |
There is nothing in that link. They say they have documented cases, but where are they? Again, where's the beef?
I also like the Orwellian mention of "all options being on the table" - sounds like something George Bush would say.
Okay, so how many people was that? Looks like a lot, but it could be as few as 10,000. Regardless, it is undoubtedly a large crowd. And this was before the no-fly zone was imposed. Explain to me again why Gaddafi's troops weren't in there slaughtering people?
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Yeah and the explanation that they sold him weapons to genuinely help him, and then invaded (with massive air superiority) is so much more plausible
Do you even think before you post? |
Oh, and what??? Can you explain your point here? Before insulting cwflaneur, can you explain why you think his post is so so very stupid? We tried to sell arms to someone we were fixing to invade? You do NOT address his point here. |
I didn't insult cwflaneur And seeing as you are the one who started with the insults (calling me an idiot, directly), you don't get to take the high ground.
Anyway, we sell arms to anyone. It just goes to show what ruthless, warmonger scum Western governments are. They'll sell military weapons to Gaddafi, just like we sold them to Saddam Hussein before invading, because it is profitable. The fact that we were selling sniper rifles in no way contradicts that we were fixing to invade. What, did you think NATO was worried about sniper rifles taking out their fighter jets?
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| I don�t know why I am bothering. There are lots of people who think we didn�t need to spend this much money helping North African Arabs, and i totally get that. But you are pretty much the only one left here who is still trying and failing to convince people that competing media outlets have conspired with the UN and NATO to fabricate Ghaddffi�s assault on his own people for demanding their dignity, to justify an air assault to control Libya�s oil (which was already being principally sold to Europe). |
Of course the media outlets tell blatant lies and engage in propaganda ALL THE TIME. Just like they lied about everything leading up to the Iraq war. The corporate media is bought and paid for, has an agenda, and simply cannot be trusted.
Having said that, I did not claim Gaddafi didn't assault his own people. I just asked for concrete evidence and proof, since it was the justification for going to war. Of course, I don't see that as being a justification for war regardless, but even so, if the massacres didn't even occur, then that should be on the record.
So far you have put in the effort, but have still done a pretty flimsy job. A few videos seem, circumstantially, to show that some of Gaddafi's troops fired at people indiscriminately. Yet there is no context, and no proof it was deliberate (not that I would defend it either way). The total number of deaths apparently shown in all your videos (that I could count) was around 5.
Again, where's the tanks and infantry rolling into massive crowds of protesters, slaughtering them? You showed a video of a large crowd in Benghazi, and yet nobody was killed. Where's the footage of the alleged massacres? |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Except that Visitor Q consistently implies, or suggests outrightly, that even global media outlets are kept in the loop or are part of the conspiracy to lay the groundwork for an attack on Libya. |
Of course they are. The corporate media is little more than the propaganda arm of the government.
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| How on that premise arms dealers wouldn't be kept in the loop and The Guardian would, is ridiculous. Even in his bizarre little world. He can't have it both ways. |
Yes I can. There is no contradiction. The arms dealers sell Gaddafi a bunch of low grade weapons (which if used to kill Libyan civilians wouldn't bother them a bit, since they are merchants of death) and make a nice little profit. Then NATO goes in with massively superior weapons, including advanced fighter jets and bombers, and blows Gaddafi's army to hell. As if there was any question that they could do this.
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| I didn't say it did, he simply makes a perfectly valid point and got the usual stupid scorn and ridicule. Why would we sell arms to someone we were fixing to invade? |
Why wouldn't we? It would literally be like me selling you .22, knowing the next day I was going to be engaging you with a fully loaded Apache helicopter. No risk to myself, and I pocket the profits.
And if you happened to shoot your little brother in the head with that .22 in the meantime, all the better (since I was probably going to blow him up too anyway). Seriously, how anyone could think the military industrial complex gives two shits about regular Libyans, when these same people have launched illegal wars (against a dictator our government previously supported and armed) killing a million plus Iraqis, is beyond me...
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| In general though, if regime change was the goal, selling sniper rifles to Ghaddafi supports that goal, since sniper rifles are an excellent tool for turning a peaceful protest into a violent uprising. And even if Ghaddafi doesn't use them to shoot protesters, the documented sale provides cover for your own sniper teams sent to instigate an uprising. |
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| Are you seriously suggesting that we sold him sniper rifles so that he would kill his own people so that it would spark an uprising so that they would call on the international community for help so that we could get a UN mandate to license NATO to plan an assault on Libya? |
Sounds like business as usual to me.
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Here is a cheap and easy blueprint for doing just that:
1. Organise a peaceful protest through social media, or take advantage of one that is already being organized
2. Send in a black ops sniper team to shoot one or two protesters. Of course, it will be assumed it is the defending regime that did it.
3. The funeral for those protesters, one or two days later, will attract a much bigger, more outraged crowd. Have your sniper team shoot a couple more, and things will really kick off!
4. Sit back and enjoy the chaos, and denounce the defending regime for brutality and civilian massacres as they struggle to deal with a rioting mob.
It's cheap, and it would work. The only question is whether we fall into the "Gasp! No one would ever do something so mean!" or the "That sounds about right" camps. |
Oh my God, its actually much worse, you're suggesting that our people killed the protesters? Are you? Really? |
Your laughter and derision aside, it really is just standard procedure. Black ops are real, and they engage in false flags as a matter of course. There are many declassified instances of this. Look up the Gulf of Tonkin incident, for example.
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| I wonder if you also think that our governments covertly engineered the uprising in Tunisia, so that it would spark an uprising in Egypt, which in turn would lead to an uprising in Libya which we could push along by sending in special forces to shoot the protesters, which would enrage the protesters further to lead to a clampdown by Ghaddaffi forces which would lead to us getting the mandate for an assault in Libya? |
The CIA probably was involved, but that beyond the scope of this debate. Libya is not the same as Egypt, and NATO didn't bomb Egypt, so we'll just leave it at that... |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Visitor Q repeatedly insults other posters for being so very stupid for not thinking and believing the very same cranky things that he does. It's hardly surprising then if people call him on on the rather central things he got wrong. |
It seems your hypocrisy is endless. It was YOU who started in the with the insults, calling me an idiot. Point blank. Now you're trying to act all holier-than-thou? Give me a break. |
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Butterfly
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The truth of the horror of Tripoli is starting to come out:
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Libya: Mass Graves Found In And Around Tripoli (PHOTOS)
GENEVA -- The International Committee of the Red Cross says at least 13 mass graves have been found in Libya over the past three weeks.
The Geneva-based Red Cross says its staff assisted in the recovery of 125 bodies found at 12 different sites in and around Tripoli.
It says remains of 34 people were also recovered from a site in the Nafusa mountain village of Galaa in western Libya.
WARNING: GRAPHIC PHOTOS BELOW
ICRC spokesman Steven Anderson said Wednesday that more mass graves are being found every week.
The aid group says it is helping ensure the remains are properly recovered so that the identities of the dead can be established and relatives informed.
It said it is not involved in collecting evidence that could be used in war crimes or other legal proceedings. |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/14/libya-mass-grave_n_962395.html |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| I wonder if you also think that our governments covertly engineered the uprising in Tunisia, so that it would spark an uprising in Egypt, which in turn would lead to an uprising in Libya which we could push along by sending in special forces to shoot the protesters, which would enrage the protesters further to lead to a clampdown by Ghaddaffi forces which would lead to us getting the mandate for an assault in Libya? |
Shouldn't that be 'your government' (as in US government, CIA in particular)? vq has a very specific burr under his saddle when it comes to the US government being behind every evil in the world.
Other than that, I think you very accurately summarized the world view of conspiracy fans. |
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Butterfly
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I wonder if you also think that our governments covertly engineered the uprising in Tunisia, so that it would spark an uprising in Egypt, which in turn would lead to an uprising in Libya which we could push along by sending in special forces to shoot the protesters, which would enrage the protesters further to lead to a clampdown by Ghaddaffi forces which would lead to us getting the mandate for an assault in Libya? |
Shouldn't that be 'your government' (as in US government, CIA in particular)? vq has a very specific burr under his saddle when it comes to the US government being behind every evil in the world.
Other than that, I think you very accurately summarized the world view of conspiracy fans. |
Well, in his response his answer was essentially 'yes' to this question. I'm not sure where the debate can go from there?  |
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Visitor Q repeatedly insults other posters for being so very stupid for not thinking and believing the very same cranky things that he does. It's hardly surprising then if people call him on on the rather central things he got wrong. |
It seems your hypocrisy is endless. It was YOU who started in the with the insults, calling me an idiot. Point blank. Now you're trying to act all holier-than-thou? Give me a break. |
I can easily link to where you initiated name calling with me. Shall I bother, or are you actually going to admit something?
Wintermute, where's your criticism of VQ's posting style? His name calling? His continued replies to me? You seem a tad determined to defend the guy.
He's lied in this thread, and he's initiated his fair share of abuse on this forum, yet you rush to his defense. Any particular reason? |
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visitorq
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| Butterfly wrote: |
| Visitor Q repeatedly insults other posters for being so very stupid for not thinking and believing the very same cranky things that he does. It's hardly surprising then if people call him on on the rather central things he got wrong. |
It seems your hypocrisy is endless. It was YOU who started in the with the insults, calling me an idiot. Point blank. Now you're trying to act all holier-than-thou? Give me a break. |
I can easily link to where you initiated name calling with me. Shall I bother, or are you actually going to admit something?
Wintermute, where's your criticism of VQ's posting style? His name calling? His continued replies to me? You seem a tad determined to defend the guy.
He's lied in this thread, and he's initiated his fair share of abuse on this forum, yet you rush to his defense. Any particular reason? |
This thread has been inactive for 4 days, and you revive it just to post more off topic garbage? Just shut up and get a life already |
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