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Los Angeloser
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 Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:24 am Post subject: Security Breach at Incheon International Airport |
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What is a security breach? Does anyone know? You'd think an official at that airport would know don't you think...?"
SECURITY BREACH at Incheon International Airport�
http://edition.cnn.com/CNNI/Programs/connect.the.world/the.gateway/
Early in the video you�ll see the(cough cough) �security screener� conduct a check on the CNN reporter after she walks through the detector. After the �security screener� uses the hand wand on the CNN reporter�s belt area you can hear it �beep� twice, yet the �security screener� does not check/verify why the hand wand beeped or check the body/belt area of the CNN reporter which caused the �beep.� Hello! That does equate to a �security breach,� yet later in the video you will hear the dumb Incheon airport official claim there hasn�t been one security breach in the past year.
In that video which I first saw last week and you can now watch, you�ll hear the Incheon Airport �official� claim they care about security, train trainees for many months(6-12 months OMG), and haven�t had 1 security breach in the past year via CNN --- Watch and listen for yourself�That is a lie since you and I both saw a �security breach� for ourselves.
I wonder why that video didn�t tell us about this�
Since then I�ve read(via Korea Times) that 952 women were examined via �Full Body X-Ray Scan� compared to only 573 men at the Jeju International Airport, and 1,968 women �had� to be given the �Full Body X-Ray Scan� while only 205 men did the same.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/09/117_95052.html
Let me approximate for a moment...Women are checked 93% of the time at Gimpo while they are checked 66% of the time at Jeju International. Why don't we know about Incheon and Gimhae(per KT article?).
The "excuse" given was that �there are more female travelers� than men(MINUS ANY STATS).
I�d bet a million that they don�t consider a Korean male International businessman as a �traveler� therefore Korean businessmen are allowed to bypass security(Full Body X-Ray Scan) because of their fellow Korean blood brethrens at Incheon International Airport/elsewhere who let them.
Gimpo is mostly domestic and it would be "easy" for those with an objective to make it so, don't you think?
So, how does the Incheon International Airport or Gimpo/Jeju/Gimhae define a �traveler?�
While Incheon is like American airports(I think?) in that male security screeners check males and females check females, in the Korea Times article you�ll see that only Korean men stand behind the �Full Body X-Ray Scanner� and could be perverts?
The Korea Times article counter-dicts the CNN video here�
�A KAC spokeswoman stressed that due to possible concerns over the invasion of privacy, the airports have been scanning only a small number of international travelers who could endanger other passengers or airplanes.
Only 0.3 percent of international passengers entering and exiting Gimpo and Jeju airports have been subject to the screening. Those who fail to pass the initial security screening can choose to either undergo scanning or be searched by immigration officers,�� she said.
An additional question I have is why did the Ministry of Land, Transport, and Maritime Affairs(Rep. Cho, Won-jin) feel it necessary to count according to gender? Which makes me further wonder what the heck else they were counting?
Does that Incheon International airport �official� even know the definition of a security breach?
Please allow me to point out another strange part of the article...
"Airport authorities said they have been scanning passengers suspected of posing a threat to other travelers and airplanes...,"
Are we to believe that women(Korean/Japanese/Chinese) pose the most threat to travelers and airplanes?
Please show us why and how? |
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orosee
Joined: 07 Mar 2008
Location: Hannam-dong, Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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What is your point?
The security screener was obviously informed that the CNN reporter was doing a feature - the camera guy would have been a hint in any case but there is no way that CNN could have been filming there without permission. So this was a demonstration check, not a hidden camera "reveal the shocking truth" kind of clip.
And the ratio of body scan versus pat-down (male/female) only shows that more females CHOOSE the body scan over the pat-down, probably because they don't like to be groped during the exam. You did see that the body scanners are voluntary?
So again, please explain your point, thank you. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Security Breach at Incheon International Airport |
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| Los Angeloser wrote: |
What is a security breach? Does anyone know? You'd think an official at that airport would know don't you think...?"
SECURITY BREACH at Incheon International Airport�
http://edition.cnn.com/CNNI/Programs/connect.the.world/the.gateway/
Early in the video you�ll see the(cough cough) �security screener� conduct a check on the CNN reporter after she walks through the detector. After the �security screener� uses the hand wand on the CNN reporter�s belt area you can hear it �beep� twice, yet the �security screener� does not check/verify why the hand wand beeped or check the body/belt area of the CNN reporter which caused the �beep.� Hello! That does equate to a �security breach,� yet later in the video you will hear the dumb Incheon airport official claim there hasn�t been one security breach in the past year.
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a security breach is an actual breach in security, not a belt buckle. is that a hard concept to grasp? you do realize that a belt buckle will be back on the waist of a person whether a person with a wand catches it or it goes through the xray machine right? the security breach happens when someone decides to use that belt buckle as a weapon which could happen at anytime by anyone. the fact that a belt buckle got into the airport is not security breach, it's when it's used for ill-will and really, who could forsee when such an event would actually happen?
when they say that they have not had a security breach, it means they haven't had any security-related issues that happened due to human or electronic error.
also since it was staged they most likely didn't make the reporter take off her belt while many airports do make you, icn included. a demonstration video is not the same as the real thing.
remember champ, that demonstration was NOT real. i can't believe i just spent the past five minutes typing to try and explain such a simple concept. |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Security Breach at Incheon International Airport |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| Los Angeloser wrote: |
What is a security breach? Does anyone know? You'd think an official at that airport would know don't you think...?"
SECURITY BREACH at Incheon International Airport�
http://edition.cnn.com/CNNI/Programs/connect.the.world/the.gateway/
Early in the video you�ll see the(cough cough) �security screener� conduct a check on the CNN reporter after she walks through the detector. After the �security screener� uses the hand wand on the CNN reporter�s belt area you can hear it �beep� twice, yet the �security screener� does not check/verify why the hand wand beeped or check the body/belt area of the CNN reporter which caused the �beep.� Hello! That does equate to a �security breach,� yet later in the video you will hear the dumb Incheon airport official claim there hasn�t been one security breach in the past year.
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a security breach is an actual breach in security, not a belt buckle. is that a hard concept to grasp? you do realize that a belt buckle will be back on the waist of a person whether a person with a wand catches it or it goes through the xray machine right? the security breach happens when someone decides to use that belt buckle as a weapon which could happen at anytime by anyone. the fact that a belt buckle got into the airport is not security breach, it's when it's used for ill-will and really, who could forsee when such an event would actually happen?
when they say that they have not had a security breach, it means they haven't had any security-related issues that happened due to human or electronic error.
also since it was staged they most likely didn't make the reporter take off her belt while many airports do make you, icn included. a demonstration video is not the same as the real thing.
remember champ, that demonstration was NOT real. i can't believe i just spent the past five minutes typing to try and explain such a simple concept. |
Demonstration or not, it shows the world(Thank you CNN) that when their security equipment(hand wand) is triggered/beeps they don't always check to make sure a gun/knife or whatever is behind the belt. If things aren't checked as they should be or if equipment malfunctions and people go unchecked, terminals should be emptied/passengers are told to exit and re-enter. |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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I have to say it......
Travelled thru Gimpo For Chuseok and I set off the metal detector. They then checked me with the wand and it beeped in two places. Once at the ring and once at the belt. The sexy screneer never once grabbed for my belt. I was disappointed in both the lax security and the lax customer service because she didnt go for my crotch. If my wife and daughter hadnt been there, maybe things would have been different? |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
I have to say it......
Travelled thru Gimpo For Chuseok and I set off the metal detector. They then checked me with the wand and it beeped in two places. Once at the ring and once at the belt. The sexy screneer never once grabbed for my belt. I was disappointed in both the lax security and the lax customer service because she didnt go for my crotch. If my wife and daughter hadnt been there, maybe things would have been different? |
Lax is fair to say, it's certainly not what they pretend it to be in the CNN video. Each time they don't check out the beep qualifies as a security breach, plain and simple. 6-12 months of training for what? Personally, I don't wear a belt on planes.
Why do they check the belt if they aren't going to check behind the area that triggers the hand wand? Do they want to say...Hey foreigners, look at my tool, now listen to the noise, your belt makes me go beep beep beep, bye bye! |
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bekinseki
Joined: 31 Aug 2011
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| They have Rapiscan in Korea now? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Los Angeloser wrote: |
| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
I have to say it......
Travelled thru Gimpo For Chuseok and I set off the metal detector. They then checked me with the wand and it beeped in two places. Once at the ring and once at the belt. The sexy screneer never once grabbed for my belt. I was disappointed in both the lax security and the lax customer service because she didnt go for my crotch. If my wife and daughter hadnt been there, maybe things would have been different? |
Lax is fair to say, it's certainly not what they pretend it to be in the CNN video. Each time they don't check out the beep qualifies as a security breach, plain and simple. 6-12 months of training for what? Personally, I don't wear a belt on planes.
Why do they check the belt if they aren't going to check behind the area that triggers the hand wand? Do they want to say...Hey foreigners, look at my tool, now listen to the noise, your belt makes me go beep beep beep, bye bye! |
LOL...
Too much CNN... The terrorists HAVE WON.
Americans are so afraid that they have given up on common sense, and they tolerate routine assaults on their person without so much as a whimper. They allow the intrusion by the TSA and don't even react at the loss of their rights to habeas corpus.
Common sense would indicate that anything small enough to fit behind your buckle and not explosive would also not breach the locked forward door.
Plastic explosives don't set off metal detectors. 100ml of nitro glycerin would also make a mess of a cabin interior and won't get detected.
You should be more afraid of the actual (metal) knives that the first class passengers get to use instead of the plastic ones you get in economy.
The only breach was that of CNN by breaching the practices of good journalism in favor of sensationalism.
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Since airport security actually makes people no safer, this is all fine by me. I'd prefer if they just did chemical sniffing instead of all these absurd regulations. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| Los Angeloser wrote: |
| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
I have to say it......
Travelled thru Gimpo For Chuseok and I set off the metal detector. They then checked me with the wand and it beeped in two places. Once at the ring and once at the belt. The sexy screneer never once grabbed for my belt. I was disappointed in both the lax security and the lax customer service because she didnt go for my crotch. If my wife and daughter hadnt been there, maybe things would have been different? |
Lax is fair to say, it's certainly not what they pretend it to be in the CNN video. Each time they don't check out the beep qualifies as a security breach, plain and simple. 6-12 months of training for what? Personally, I don't wear a belt on planes.
Why do they check the belt if they aren't going to check behind the area that triggers the hand wand? Do they want to say...Hey foreigners, look at my tool, now listen to the noise, your belt makes me go beep beep beep, bye bye! |
LOL...
Too much CNN... The terrorists HAVE WON.
Americans are so afraid that they have given up on common sense, and they tolerate routine assaults on their person without so much as a whimper. They allow the intrusion by the TSA and don't even react at the loss of their rights to habeas corpus.
Common sense would indicate that anything small enough to fit behind your buckle and not explosive would also not breach the locked forward door.
Plastic explosives don't set off metal detectors. 100ml of nitro glycerin would also make a mess of a cabin interior and won't get detected.
You should be more afraid of the actual (metal) knives that the first class passengers get to use instead of the plastic ones you get in economy.
The only breach was that of CNN by breaching the practices of good journalism in favor of sensationalism.
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ttompatz is an internet god. |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| Los Angeloser wrote: |
| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
I have to say it......
Travelled thru Gimpo For Chuseok and I set off the metal detector. They then checked me with the wand and it beeped in two places. Once at the ring and once at the belt. The sexy screneer never once grabbed for my belt. I was disappointed in both the lax security and the lax customer service because she didnt go for my crotch. If my wife and daughter hadnt been there, maybe things would have been different? |
Lax is fair to say, it's certainly not what they pretend it to be in the CNN video. Each time they don't check out the beep qualifies as a security breach, plain and simple. 6-12 months of training for what? Personally, I don't wear a belt on planes.
Why do they check the belt if they aren't going to check behind the area that triggers the hand wand? Do they want to say...Hey foreigners, look at my tool, now listen to the noise, your belt makes me go beep beep beep, bye bye! |
LOL...
Too much CNN... The terrorists HAVE WON.
Americans are so afraid that they have given up on common sense, and they tolerate routine assaults on their person without so much as a whimper. They allow the intrusion by the TSA and don't even react at the loss of their rights to habeas corpus.
Common sense would indicate that anything small enough to fit behind your buckle and not explosive would also not breach the locked forward door.
Plastic explosives don't set off metal detectors. 100ml of nitro glycerin would also make a mess of a cabin interior and won't get detected.
You should be more afraid of the actual (metal) knives that the first class passengers get to use instead of the plastic ones you get in economy.
The only breach was that of CNN by breaching the practices of good journalism in favor of sensationalism.
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What does habeus corpus got to do with anything in S. Korea? The security screener did not do her job that took her 6 months to learn(see video when the CNN reporter walks through the detector) in the demonstration video, wouldn't you think she should act instinctively unless that is how she usually fails to do her job? Obviously, you don't know about the job she is paid to do or don't care.
Per the article, S. Korea routinely doesn't check "International(Korean) Businessmen," instead it would rather check "female Travelers(from China and Japan)." It seems Gimpo and Jeju Airports discriminate between types of passengers. It's sad really! |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:13 am Post subject: |
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What is your point?
The security screener was obviously informed that the CNN reporter was doing a feature - the camera guy would have been a hint in any case but there is no way that CNN could have been filming there without permission. So this was a demonstration check, not a hidden camera "reveal the shocking truth" kind of clip.
And the ratio of body scan versus pat-down (male/female) only shows that more females CHOOSE the body scan over the pat-down, probably because they don't like to be groped during the exam. You did see that the body scanners are voluntary?
So again, please explain your point, thank you. |
It seems others understand so why don't you? Here let me help...I think you missed something (did you read the article?)..."and 1,968 women had to be given the Full Body X-Ray Scan while only 205 men did the same."
Since men pat down men and women pat down women why do you use the word "groped?"
Would you please let us know of a case when a Korean female security screener "groped(as you say)" another female? |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:57 am Post subject: |
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You did see that the body scanners are voluntary?
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Huh? I must have missed that part, please explain? However, I wouldn't be surprised men would happily volunteer to view the "Full Body X-Ray Scan" of a woman. Do you mean Korean men, such as those in the Korea Times article are NOT being paid? They look pretty official to me, I highly doubt they are volunteers. |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
| Los Angeloser wrote: |
| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
I have to say it......
Travelled thru Gimpo For Chuseok and I set off the metal detector. They then checked me with the wand and it beeped in two places. Once at the ring and once at the belt. The sexy screneer never once grabbed for my belt. I was disappointed in both the lax security and the lax customer service because she didnt go for my crotch. If my wife and daughter hadnt been there, maybe things would have been different? |
Lax is fair to say, it's certainly not what they pretend it to be in the CNN video. Each time they don't check out the beep qualifies as a security breach, plain and simple. 6-12 months of training for what? Personally, I don't wear a belt on planes.
Why do they check the belt if they aren't going to check behind the area that triggers the hand wand? Do they want to say...Hey foreigners, look at my tool, now listen to the noise, your belt makes me go beep beep beep, bye bye! |
LOL...
Too much CNN... The terrorists HAVE WON.
Americans are so afraid that they have given up on common sense, and they tolerate routine assaults on their person without so much as a whimper. They allow the intrusion by the TSA and don't even react at the loss of their rights to habeas corpus.
Common sense would indicate that anything small enough to fit behind your buckle and not explosive would also not breach the locked forward door.
Plastic explosives don't set off metal detectors. 100ml of nitro glycerin would also make a mess of a cabin interior and won't get detected.
You should be more afraid of the actual (metal) knives that the first class passengers get to use instead of the plastic ones you get in economy.
The only breach was that of CNN by breaching the practices of good journalism in favor of sensationalism.
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ttompatz is an internet god. |
Yes, you could certainly count on him to NOT check a BEEPING Turban suicide bomber(after he ran the hand wand around the head of someone wearing a turban)...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/suicide-bomber-kills-former-afghan-president-by-detonating-his-turban/ |
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Plume D'ella Plumeria
Joined: 10 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| They have Rapiscan in Korea now? |
Why does "Rapiscan" sound disturbingly like "RAPE-iscan" to me? |
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