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austinmc86



Joined: 23 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. This is a major bummer. Just like the weather, the Won seemed to change overnight.
What happened? Imagine if the USD was stronger right now, and if the U.S. market was better.
Will it get even worse?
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

�The won is falling on concerns that the U.S. growth slowdown and Europe�s debt woes will worsen dollar liquidity in the market,� said Sam Hong, senior vice president in charge of currency strategy at Shinhan Bank in Seoul. �There seems to be fear among investors, making reactions excessive.�

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-23/south-korean-won-set-for-worst-week-in-16-months-as-intervention-flagged.html

Since September 1, the Brazilian real, South African rand and Polish zloty are all down by more than 9 percent against the U.S. dollar; Hungary�s forint, long vulnerable because of the country�s big foreign currency debt, is down more than 10 percent. Almost all the leading emerging market currencies are now down on the year, with the notable exception of China�s hard-to-trade renminbi (up 3.2 percent).

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The dangers are particularly acute for South Korea, with its fairly open capital markets and dependence on foreign investors. Seoul has boosted foreign reserves to a record $310 billion from about $200 billion in late 2008, but its short-term overseas debt amounts to half its reserves. Kwon Young-sun, an economist at Nomura, says: �Korea is Asia�s most open economy, apart from Hong Kong and Singapore. It�s a high-beta market, which is highly vulnerable to external risks.�

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44603031
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
akcrono wrote:
No one actually suggested or implied that the won should get stronger for the benefit of NETs.


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Even when virtually all of us here are getting shafted by a sinking currency


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Just when I was beginning to get my hopes up. This stupid F'n place!!!!


Seems to me that those posters view the won through the prism of NETage.

Combine this is with the past threads about the won.

Most of the posts were sensible, though.


If you're a foreign engineer making a salary in won and sending money back to your country, that would also affect you, so not only NETs.
We came here, in many cases, to be able to pay off certain bills. I am sure you understand that. So, it's natural, we'll see it from our perspective. Ideally, we should think about how it affects Koreans, but we came for the economic opportunities, not for a Korean nationalist cause. If we didn't have to pay bills at home, many of us wouldn't care that much. People have also had to spend money while getting an M.A. or B.A.


Now this kind of reply is sensible...Acknowledging that NETs aren't the center of the Korean universe, while at the same time maintaining the individual's focus.

I get it if someone is offering advice on favorable exchanges or heads up stuff. But the whole "rage" stemming from a belief that the won exists to provide favorable exchange rates for NETs sending money home is just silly.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And to think many on this board call Koreans selfish. Rolling Eyes
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god of English



Joined: 23 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
But the whole "rage" stemming from a belief that the won exists to provide favorable exchange rates for NETs sending money home is just silly.

I think that's a bit of a strawman. Having said that, NETs are the biggest complainers I've ever encountered in my life.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

god of English wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
But the whole "rage" stemming from a belief that the won exists to provide favorable exchange rates for NETs sending money home is just silly.

I think that's a bit of a strawman. Having said that, NETs are the biggest complainers I've ever encountered in my life.


With Canadians being the worst of the bunch.
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hogwonguy1979



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den

PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1201 to send money back today, not great compared to the past 18 months or so but a heck of a lot better than 3 years ago when it was approaching 1600. so quit whining, at least you have jobs with healthcare etc which is more than you would have if most of you were in the states

more of a concern is inflation, man groceries especially produce has skyrocketed recently
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shifter2009



Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin

PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, never complain about anything here. Ever. You are all whiners. Going on a message board dedicated to English teachers in Korea and complaining about situations that adversely affect you is the height of selfishness. This board doesn't exist to make you happy!

On a serious note, I am glad that some of you have the "big picture" kind of mentality that you can be cool with your money being worth 10%+ less vs the dollar. Your zen is admirable. I, on the other hand, like my money to be worth as much as humanly possible and when it starts to go down in value, I will whine. Loudly. The Won does not exist to make me happy. It exist for me to buy goods and services, and it buying me significantly less goods and services out side this country than it was a few weeks ago. I, and many others, are not pleased with this. I don't think its unreasonable for us to be able to vent a little steam on a board dedicated to NETs without getting the smug apologist finger wag that we should just be happy we have jobs ect.
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Malislamusrex



Joined: 01 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Long term growth in Korea will be fine, the West will lose value because they are spending money they don't have. Korea is protecting its economy and the won is weak, but it wont be when Western economies run out of money.
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rainism



Joined: 13 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malislamusrex wrote:
Long term growth in Korea will be fine, the West will lose value because they are spending money they don't have. Korea is protecting its economy and the won is weak, but it wont be when Western economies run out of money.


faulty thinking. Very faulty.

Korea, UNLIKE most of its industrial Asian neighbors does NOT have a high savings rate. In fact, most of its households are fairly HIGHLY in debt.
The Korean real estate bubble has never fully burst, and if it does, there will be a crapload of trouble, considering the rampant real estate speculation in Korea in the last decade plus.

lastly, if the "West" does indeed run out of money, who will buy Korea's exports?

Korea isn't China and Korea isn't Japan. Korea is up the creek without a paddle.
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KingMomo



Joined: 25 Aug 2011
Location: Here and there

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rainism wrote:
Malislamusrex wrote:
Long term growth in Korea will be fine, the West will lose value because they are spending money they don't have. Korea is protecting its economy and the won is weak, but it wont be when Western economies run out of money.


faulty thinking. Very faulty.

Korea, UNLIKE most of its industrial Asian neighbors does NOT have a high savings rate. In fact, most of its households are fairly HIGHLY in debt.
The Korean real estate bubble has never fully burst, and if it does, there will be a crapload of trouble, considering the rampant real estate speculation in Korea in the last decade plus.

lastly, if the "West" does indeed run out of money, who will buy Korea's exports?

Korea isn't China and Korea isn't Japan. Korea is up the creek without a paddle.


True enough.

When the Ch bubble bursts, or even simultaneously, Korea
will realize they've been up 'the creek' for some time.

Ughhhh!! Only here 3 months and this happens.
GD Korea.
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KingMomo wrote:
rainism wrote:
Malislamusrex wrote:
Long term growth in Korea will be fine, the West will lose value because they are spending money they don't have. Korea is protecting its economy and the won is weak, but it wont be when Western economies run out of money.


faulty thinking. Very faulty.

Korea, UNLIKE most of its industrial Asian neighbors does NOT have a high savings rate. In fact, most of its households are fairly HIGHLY in debt.
The Korean real estate bubble has never fully burst, and if it does, there will be a crapload of trouble, considering the rampant real estate speculation in Korea in the last decade plus.

lastly, if the "West" does indeed run out of money, who will buy Korea's exports?

Korea isn't China and Korea isn't Japan. Korea is up the creek without a paddle.


True enough.

When the Ch bubble bursts, or even simultaneously, Korea
will realize they've been up 'the creek' for some time.

Ughhhh!! Only here 3 months and this happens.
GD Korea.


That's how I felt in 2007, except it was the 6 month mark. Cdn dollar shot to 1.10 US. Thought that was bad. Well, a year later, at the end of 2008, it tanked more. It never came back. Now it might go down more. Stupid F'n place!!!!
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a time when big student loans could be paid off here quickly. No more I guess.
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Died By Bear



Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weigookin74 wrote:
There was a time when big student loans could be paid off here quickly. No more I guess.



That window of opportunity closed in '96-97.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I came here in 1995 for a slightly better than average hakwon teaching job at 2.5 mil won a month for 25 hours a week. With overtime, it was more like 2.8 to 3.3 a month. And that was at an exchange rate around 700 won to $1 U.S. Things have definitely not improved over the last decade plus.
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