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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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I thought you weren't going to reply to me any more?
You love to tell people what to do in this part of the forum.
"Shut up"
Seriously? All because I'm not letting you slide on your lies/cover up in this thread?
It's not like this conflict is finished or anything... did you expect this thread (and your lies) to just die off?
There's updates nearly every day...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14999390
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Gaddafi 'losing control of Sabha'
Libya's interim rulers, the National Transitional Council, say their forces have now taken control of much of the southern city of Sabha.
The city was considered one of the key remaining strongholds of fugitive leader Col Muammar Gaddafi's forces.
Nato, whose air-strikes have been vital in bolstering the efforts of anti-Gaddafi forces, said it will extend its air campaign for up to 90 days. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
I thought you weren't going to reply to me any more?
You love to tell people what to do in this part of the forum.
"Shut up"
Seriously? All because I'm not letting you slide on your lies/cover up in this thread?
It's not like this conflict is finished or anything... did you expect this thread (and your lies) to just die off? |
I expect your pointless comments and stupidity to die off (eventually). You could have posted a news update first, without the rest of your crap. Instead you posted only crap. Because that's all you ever do. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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In other "news":
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(Reuters) - Libya's interim leaders failed to agree a new cabinet on Sunday and the forces that forced Muammar Gaddafi from power remained bogged down in fighting with troops loyal to the former ruler.
Interim government forces fled in chaos from the town of Bani Walid and pulled back from Sirte after yet more failed attempts to storm Gaddafi's final bastions and take control of the entire country.
The political and military problems underscored how hard it would be to restore stability to Libya after Gaddafi was driven out of Tripoli last month.
The former rebels' executive committee, or cabinet, was dissolved last month. A new committee, to include officials responsible for defense and interior affairs, was supposed to be appointed by interim Prime Minister Mahmoud Jibril on Sunday.
But the talks broke down when his proposals did not receive full backing from all current members. |
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/18/us-libya-idUSTRE7810I820110918
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Tunis - Muammar Gaddafi is still in Libya and in good spirits, with a powerful army behind him, the ousted leader's spokesman said on Wednesday.
Gaddafi's whereabouts have been unknown for months and most of his entourage have fled or gone into hiding after forces backed by Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC) overran Tripoli on Aug. 23 and seized power.
�The leader is in good health, in high morale ... of course he is in Libya,� Moussa Ibrahim told Reuters via a crackling satellite telephone line.
�The fight is as far away from the end as the world can imagine. We are still very powerful, our army is still powerful, we have thousands upon thousands of volunteers,� he said.
�We have huge areas of Libya under our control - on the northern coast, in the western areas of the country and the whole south belongs to us,� he said.
�We are gathering our forces and we will liberate every single Libyan city even if we have to fight street-to-street, house-to-house, for years to come.�
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http://www.iol.co.za/dailynews/news/gaddafi-in-good-spirits-in-libya-1.1137670
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Several attempts by National Transitional Council's (NTC) fighters to take Sirte and Bani Walid, two of Gaddafi's remaining major strongholds, in the past week have ended in disarray and panicked retreat.
Fighters making their way back from the front line said they met fierce resistance at Khamseen, 50km east of Sirte, and that they lacked the firepower to respond.
"I'm 100 per cent sure that there is someone important in Sirte, either Gaddafi himself or one of his sons, because his forces have become suicidal in the Khamseen area," NTC fighter Hamed al-Hachy said on Wednesday. |
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/09/2011921234730831609.html
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European Union countries have "shamefully failed" to help thousands of refugees stranded near Libya's borders, Amnesty International says.
It says they have failed to resettle some 5,000 mainly sub-Saharan Africans who face persecution in their nations. |
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14977155 |
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Angry Bird Rios
Joined: 15 Sep 2011
Location: Flinging through the air
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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The claims of "we will liberate every single Libyan city" are so much empty propaganda. The second his forces move out of a city to march to another city all NATO would have to do is send in a number of attack planes
and...goodbye army.
Gaddafi may have "thousands upon thousands of volunteers" although that's probably propaganda as well.
Still even so, that is no match for even a handful of NATO warplanes which could slaughter these thousands without losing a single plane. Once news of that gets back to Gaddafi held cities...won't be too many volunteers as they will realize it's hopeless. The NTC forces have absolute air superiority/control and THAT will decide the outcome of this war. |
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ersatzredux
Joined: 15 Dec 2007
Location: Same as it ever was, same as it ever was
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:47 am Post subject: |
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They will indeed starve and bombard these last cities into submission. What was their purpose in attacking Libya again? Oh yeah, because Gaddaffi was..well, let's not go there. He's evil incarnate and we're good, and that's that.
But that doesn't mean this war is over. Not by a long shot. This is most likely going to drag on for years and in the end the West will be kicked out.
The intention of course is to pay everyone off out of oil money to accommodate them to the new order, with Libya now firmly in the "global" camp. The thing is though that the old elite was more or less sated- after forty years they'd grabbed just about as much as they wanted to take. But now we have all these voracious new mouths to feed.
Put that massive theft together with a continuing guerilla movement draining funds and retarding rebuilding, the amount Western "contractors" and the like will outright steal of the country's foreign reserves, new sweetheart royalty deals with oil companies and outright oil theft, simply too much will be stolen to afford to buy social peace. Add that to a huge increase in unemployment while Western imports and investment destroy local economies, and you can be sure a resistance movement will re-emerge and get stronger as time passes.
Ask the Italians how well Libyans take to colonization. Ask the Romans how much trouble they gave. This little imperial adventure will go the way of Iraq and Afghanistan, even if it takes a little while. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| ersatzredux wrote: |
They will indeed starve and bombard these last cities into submission. What was their purpose in attacking Libya again? Oh yeah, because Gaddaffi was..well, let's not go there. He's evil incarnate and we're good, and that's that.
But that doesn't mean this war is over. Not by a long shot. This is most likely going to drag on for years and in the end the West will be kicked out.
The intention of course is to pay everyone off out of oil money to accommodate them to the new order, with Libya now firmly in the "global" camp. The thing is though that the old elite was more or less sated- after forty years they'd grabbed just about as much as they wanted to take. But now we have all these voracious new mouths to feed.
Put that massive theft together with a continuing guerilla movement draining funds and retarding rebuilding, the amount Western "contractors" and the like will outright steal of the country's foreign reserves, new sweetheart royalty deals with oil companies and outright oil theft, simply too much will be stolen to afford to buy social peace. Add that to a huge increase in unemployment while Western imports and investment destroy local economies, and you can be sure a resistance movement will re-emerge and get stronger as time passes.
Ask the Italians how well Libyans take to colonization. Ask the Romans how much trouble they gave. This little imperial adventure will go the way of Iraq and Afghanistan, even if it takes a little while. |
Perhaps you should read it again. There aren't any foreign troops in Libya It's all locals. Quite different from Afghanistan and Iraq. All NATO is doing here is providing air support.
As for your predictions...the best way to know if someone is talking nonsense is when he or she starts making predictions based on what they wish would happen. |
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ersatzredux
Joined: 15 Dec 2007
Location: Same as it ever was, same as it ever was
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| There aren't any foreign troops in Libya It's all locals. Quite different from Afghanistan and Iraq. All NATO is doing here is providing air support. |
You sure about that? Why don't you do a little research and get back to me on that one. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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The Qaddafis made an announcement last week about capturing a bunch of people down south, including at least one British soldier. I haven't seen anything since then.
Has anyone heard anything more, or was this just disinformation? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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You can't have air operations without personnel on the ground targeting and providing recon. But clearly NATO operatives are playing it very low key.
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| But that doesn't mean this war is over. Not by a long shot. This is most likely going to drag on for years and in the end the West will be kicked out. |
Dude, you're a joke. |
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ersatzredux
Joined: 15 Dec 2007
Location: Same as it ever was, same as it ever was
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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A joke eh? That's hardly kind. The joke is how you have managed to learn absolutely nothing from the events of the last decade or so, or at least so it seems.
Well, we'll see how things turn out. I haven't been wrong about this sort of thing yet, but I guess that it's always a possibility.
Of course there are special forces in Libya. This is from CNN:
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Special forces troops from Britain, France, Jordan and Qatar on the ground in Libya have stepped up operations in Tripoli and other cities in recent days to help rebel forces as they conducted their final advance on the Gadhafi regime, a NATO official confirmed to CNN Wednesday. The
British forces, in particular, have assisted rebel units by "helping them get better organized to conduct operations," the official said. Some of these forces from all the countries have traveled with rebel units from towns across Libya as they advanced on Tripoli.
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That is a tad more than involved than spotting for bombers don't you think? |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| ersatzredux wrote: |
A joke eh? That's hardly kind. The joke is how you have managed to learn absolutely nothing from the events of the last decade or so, or at least so it seems.
Well, we'll see how things turn out. I haven't been wrong about this sort of thing yet, but I guess that it's always a possibility. |
Of course you are right. The West may not get kicked out tomorrow, but this whole misadventure was based on lies and deception from the start. Even after NATO bombings, Gaddafi is still at large (claiming to be raising a large army) and the people running the country now are literal Al Qaeda who are good at nothing else except terrorizing and massacring people (they certainly aren't any good at waging war on their own or building a prosperous country with the peoples' interests at heart). There is no way this is sustainable, and the chances of it ending well are minuscule. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:01 am Post subject: |
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More mass graves.
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| A mass grave reportedly containing the bodies of more than 1,200 people has been found in Tripoli |
http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16076810
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�We are dealing with more than 1,270 martyrs and must distinguish each one from the other for identification by comparing their DNA with family members,� said Dr Osman Abdul Jalil, a medical official.
�It may take years to reach the truth.�
He says investigators found the grave two weeks ago after getting information from captured regime officials and witnesses.
Officials will ask for international assistance in identifying the remains.
Human rights groups have estimated that about 2,000 Abu Salim inmates were killed in the 1996 massacre. |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8787727/Libya-mass-grave-found-in-Tripoli.html
I shudder to think how many more are going to be found. |
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Angry Bird Rios
Joined: 15 Sep 2011
Location: Flinging through the air
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:56 am Post subject: |
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^ According to this conservative blogger whose source intercepted a rebel-TNC phone call, at least some of those mass graves may contain Libyan soldiers, and everything you are being told about it is wrong.
Gaddafi's Forces are Beating Back the Rebels |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:58 am Post subject: |
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^ According to this conservative blogger whose source intercepted a rebel-TNC phone call, at least some of those mass graves may contain Libyan soldiers, and everything you are being told about it is wrong.
Gaddafi's Forces are Beating Back the Rebels |
Jesus. |
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