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plato's republic
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Just for those who don't know, the Ecuadorian referee Moreno was recently sentenced to two and a half years in jail for heroin trafficking. He was also involved in a match-fixing/bribery scandal in his own country just a few years ago, post-2002 WC.
He made some seriously suspect decisions during that world cup game, though it's impossible to state with any authority whether he was bribed by Korean officials or not. However, the fact that Korea made it to the semi-finals on the back of two games (vs Italy/Spain) on a series of favourable decisions should raise anyone's eyebrows. |
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Koreadays
Joined: 20 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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the ref received a free new hyundai after the game! and I am sure the white envelope was in the glove compartment!
the ref was calling off side almost every chance Italy broke away and headed to the goals, they sent off their number 10 player in the first minutes of the game and awarded Korea a penalty kick, which italy saved.
of course they couldn't disallow the header by veri because BOOM straight in and the 50.000 fans in the stadium went quiet.
but Yes, Italy made some STUPID mistakes to even let Ahn Jong whan near the ball, and the first goal by the korean player was also a fluke with bad defending by Italy.. so yes, maybe Korea were giving a helping hand, but Still Italy should of buried them. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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A bad call does not equal Korean bribes.
A bad ref who admitted to making mistakes does not equal Korean bribes.
A bad ref who retired admitting to poor performance does not equal Korean bribes.
A drug charge against a former ref 10 years after the match does not equal "new evidence" of Korean bribes.
Your mindless, blinding hatred of Korea/Koreans does not prove Korean bribes.
This thread is evidence of how much some of you so badly want Korea/Koreans to be embarrassed. Frankly, it's pathetic. I think Clarkson described such people well:
"The fact of the matter is this: every single person who ever moves to another country � with the exception of America where you go to grow � is a failure. Seriously, no one has ever woken up and said: �I am completely happy. I have a lovely family, many friends, a great job and plenty of savings. So I shall move to Australia.�
It�s always the other way around. �My wife has left me. My children don�t want to know. The divorce cost a bundle and I don�t have any mates. So I shall move to Oz.� That�s why they call us whingeing poms. Because the poms they get do nothing else." |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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Madoka baby, chill out. I don't hate Korea or Korean people like you think I do. But as a lifelong footy fan, I can't believe the amount of fouls that Korea got away with in that tournament.
The title of the thread was meant tongue in cheek just to grab your attention. Of course I know this isn't evidence of bribery. However, considering the Roy Jones Jr scandal, you have to admit that it is at least plausible.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/olympics_2012/3939219.stm |
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blm
Joined: 11 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Madoka baby, chill out. I don't hate Korea or Korean people like you think I do. But as a lifelong footy fan, I can't believe the amount of fouls that Korea got away with in that tournament.
The title of the thread was meant tongue in cheek just to grab your attention. Of course I know this isn't evidence of bribery. However, considering the Roy Jones Jr scandal, you have to admit that it is at least plausible.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/olympics_2012/3939219.stm |
The fact you call it footy makes me a little wary as to the truth of your lifetime claims.
Korea also had a legitimate goal ruled out in one of those games..... I think biased refereeing 101 teaches you not to rule out goals for the team you are supposed to be fixing the game for.
I watched 2002 from back home, completely neutral as I had no ties to Korea or their opponents. There wasn't any feeling that Korea cheated at the time in our press or commentary. The only time it got play was when Ahn was sacked from his Italian club, and then it was 100% on Ahn's side as the Italians were portrayed as bad losers. The Aussie press is notoriously anti football too and would have jumped up and down a the whiff of a bad news story.
It just seems to be Americans, Italians and Portuguese who think that and they all seem to want to believe it.
I have seen much worse refereeing displays than that and the European countries used to always get the benefit of the doubt just because refs were too scared to call against them.
It's normally the fox that is most concerned about the hens so you can see why Italians believe it must have been fixed..... It�s what they would have done. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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Most of the people I know back home in England call it footy. Strange that you've never heard it before. Maybe it's a regional thing.
To be fair to Korea, Italy is a country where match-fixing was revealed and several clubs were found guilty of being involved. Juventus being the most famous of them.
Like I said, this article proves nothing but all the factors are there to confirm reasonable grounds for suspicion. The dodgy morally corrupt ref, the strange decisions that were and weren't made that helped Korea on their way, the past record of proven bribery and corruption, and most contentiously the practice of bribery and corruption that permeates many levels of Korean society.
All the ingredients for a juicy conspiracy theory - unless you are Korean of course.  |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| Madoka baby, chill out. I don't hate Korea or Korean people like you think I do. m |
No of course not. You just make a thread with a deliberately fake title and all the while claiming it's tongue-in-cheek argue your theory that Korea won by bribing the ref. All this with absolutely no proof whatsoever on the back of one or two questionable calls. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| cj1976 wrote: |
| Madoka baby, chill out. I don't hate Korea or Korean people like you think I do. m |
No of course not. You just make a thread with a deliberately fake title and all the while claiming it's tongue-in-cheek argue your theory that Korea won by bribing the ref. All this with absolutely no proof whatsoever on the back of one or two questionable calls. |
I'd do the same if it was England, Italy, Germany or Albania for that matter. This is more to do with football than any idea of nationalism so don't worry dude. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| madoka wrote: |
. I think Clarkson described such people well:
"The fact of the matter is this: every single person who ever moves to another country � with the exception of America where you go to grow � is a failure. Seriously, no one has ever woken up and said: �I am completely happy. I have a lovely family, many friends, a great job and plenty of savings. So I shall move to Australia.�
It�s always the other way around. �My wife has left me. My children don�t want to know. The divorce cost a bundle and I don�t have any mates. So I shall move to Oz.� That�s why they call us whingeing poms. Because the poms they get do nothing else." |
While generally I agree with most of what you say on this board and while there is probably more than a grain of truth in that quote by Clarkson it goes way over the top and veers into idiocy by over-generalizing.
Firstly it claims that everyone who is completely happy does not move to another country but then it says America is an exception. So people say "I am completely happy. I have a lovely family, many friends, a great job and plenty of savings. So I shall move to AMERICA"?
Of course if you are completely happy where you are why would anyone move? The fact of the matter is...few people if any are completely happy which is why it is a bit silly to even say.
Also most people who move aboard only do so for one year or a few. Most eventually come back.
Finally some people move aboard for other reasons then being a failure or being unhappy. Such as high taxes for one. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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So, being happy and finding some faults with your surroundings are mutually exclusive? Not everyone shares that view of happiness. I think Korea is an okay place to live and I have some stake in it now because of my wife. That doesn't mean I have to pretend there's nothing wrong with the country because there clearly are a few issues that need to be sorted in Korean society.
Damn, this forum is too full of touchy apologists who bend over backwards to be contrary, and will never compromise their argument even if there is compelling reason to do so. Even my wife and her family members would find you baffling. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
To be fair to Korea, Italy is a country where match-fixing was revealed and several clubs were found guilty of being involved. Juventus being the most famous of them.
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They were just mad that the Koreans out bid them. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
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To be fair to Korea, Italy is a country where match-fixing was revealed and several clubs were found guilty of being involved. Juventus being the most famous of them.
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They were just mad that the Koreans out bid them. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| If Europeans wonder why Americans always consider futbol gay, the whole calling it 'footy' thing is not helping matters... |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| If Europeans wonder why Americans always consider futbol gay, the whole calling it 'footy' thing is not helping matters... |
Still sounds better than 'soccer'. We generally call it football, but sometimes when talking to mates, we might call it footy. Such as "Did you see the footy last night?". |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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So, being happy and finding some faults with your surroundings are mutually exclusive? Not everyone shares that view of happiness. I think Korea is an okay place to live and I have some stake in it now because of my wife. That doesn't mean I have to pretend there's nothing wrong with the country because there clearly are a few issues that need to be sorted in Korean society.
Damn, this forum is too full of touchy apologists who bend over backwards to be contrary, and will never compromise their argument even if there is compelling reason to do so. Even my wife and her family members would find you baffling. |
Are you responding to me or Madoka?
I never said that being happy and finding some faults with your surroundings are mutually exclusive. |
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