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Richardjw84
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 Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:57 pm Post subject: Difference between public and private high-schools? |
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I work in a private high-school and although I've asked several people what the difference between public and private is, I've had many different answers. All I can work out for definite is that it's not the same as the difference between a public and private school in the US or UK.
Can anyone give me a definitive answer? |
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MoneyMike
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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This might not be as definitive as you want, but here's a couple things I know:
Teachers at public schools must transfer every so often, (4 years I think) this is not the case with private schools.
Teachers at private schools are not considered government workers as far as I know, while teachers at public schools are. (I'm pretty sure about that, but if anyone knows differently feel free to correct me)
I've taught at public middle schools, and am currently in a private high school, and those are the only real differences I have noticed so far. |
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calendar
Joined: 22 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Teachers at public high schools can stay at one place for up to 9 years then they have to move. They can move sooner and most do.
Contract teachers get 1-2 years of employment and either have to be permanently hired or fired(for private schools), public schools it depends. Permanent teachers at private schools cannot move without special permission from the principal, etc. and then it is only about 2 a year if 2 or more apply.
I have only heard of one case being approved in the schools I know of in the past 7 years. I knew teachers who spent 30+ years at the same private school before retiring. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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Most private schools in Korea are a product of Korea's poverty ridden past. Sometime after the Korean War, the government encouraged private groups to open schools (mostly middle and high schools) to help in educating the masses. The government made primary education free, however you had to pay to go onto middle and high school, so many girls were left uneducated after the 6th grade. Sometime later (not sure when) up to the end of middle school was publicly funded. And about 10 years ago up to high school is now publicly funded.
Also in the past teachers could have been fired on the spot and weren't well paid. Parents knew this, so with the double motivation of keeping good teachers around and hoping their children were well treated, paid extra money to teachers in unofficial ways (aka bribes).
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| Teachers at public high schools can stay at one place for up to 9 years then they have to move. They can move sooner and most do. |
This depends on area, urban areas tend to have shorter rotation periods for less senior teachers. But most teachers tend to move every 3-5 years just to mix things up and start refreshed. Public school teachers do get more points for working in rural areas. These points are used to determine seniority later on in their careers.
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| Permanent teachers at private schools cannot move without special permission from the principal, etc. and then it is only about 2 a year if 2 or more apply. |
Actually that depends on how may schools the school is associated with. In many cases private schools will have both a middle and a high school on the same campus (in some rare cases even an elementary). In that case it's super easy to transfer between the schools. In other cases someone/group owns a group of schools and teachers are sometimes able to easily transfer schools.
Also, if you're wondering teachers at both public and private schools are well protected by two powerful teacher's unions. Unlike a couple decades ago, once you're a full-time teacher it's pretty hard to lose your job. To fire a private-school teacher it needs the okay of the education authorities. Often if a private school does want to get rid of a teacher (for legitimate or illegitimate reasons) the education authorities will find a place for that teacher somewhere in the system. And these days private schools do get most of their funding, if not all, from the government anyways. Also I believe private schools get audited by the government more often than their public school counterparts. The government has done a decent job in cutting down on corruption in schools, a lot of it has to do with teachers job security and their better pay.
Anyways as far as NET's are concerned public and private schools are essentially the same thing. The main difference is in private schools the teachers do stick around a lot longer, if not their whole careers at the same school.
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| MoneyMike wrote: |
| Teachers at private schools are not considered government workers as far as I know, while teachers at public schools are. (I'm pretty sure about that, but if anyone knows differently feel free to correct me) |
I'm not sure if they are actually considered government workers, but they do have the same pension benefits made available to public school teachers. Couple teachers at my private school decided to retire early and got some substantial government early retirement package (we're talking above 100,000,000-won plus pension benefits). I think this early retirement package is designed to encourage old teachers to make way for younger ones. |
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Joined: 22 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| Actually that depends on how may schools the school is associated with. In many cases private schools will have both a middle and a high school on the same campus (in some rare cases even an elementary). In that case it's super easy to transfer between the schools |
I wasn't clear on this part. In the same corporation, yes it is easy to change schools BUT I should have said if the teacher wanted to move to a public school then he or she needs special permission and only up to two a year can do it.
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| Often if a private school does want to get rid of a teacher (for legitimate or illegitimate reasons) the education authorities will find a place for that teacher somewhere in the system. |
I do not know about this one for sure. One private school fired a teacher and she sued to get her job back and won. Last I heard the principal is still trying to fire her.
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| Also I believe private schools get audited by the government more often than their public school counterparts. |
This is a could be. I have seen more audits at public schools than private ones. |
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koreatimes
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:18 am Post subject: |
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| only up to two a year |
How do you know that? Where does it state a limit? When did it go in effect?
Are you basing this on one case or a rule in a book somewhere? |
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Joined: 22 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:26 am Post subject: |
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How do you know that? Where does it state a limit? When did it go in effect?
Are you basing this on one case or a rule in a book somewhere |
I worked in a private high school and learned the rules. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:50 am Post subject: |
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I think it depends on the school. I know a guy that left a university job to work at a private high school.
The reasons, he was given free reign to teach whatever and however he wanted, no interference from principals or co-teaching nonsense.
He has small classes and conducts them all in English.
Oh, yeah... no deskwarming.
Basically, my dream job.
He just laughed when I told him about the nonsense going on in the PS system. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| calendar wrote: |
| I wasn't clear on this part. In the same corporation, yes it is easy to change schools BUT I should have said if the teacher wanted to move to a public school then he or she needs special permission and only up to two a year can do it. |
I don't think a full-time teacher at a private school would have many reasons to move to a public school. Anyways, if one wanted to, I'm sure one with many years experience can easily switch over. It's the younger ones with only a few years experience that may experience difficulties in switching over to a public school.
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| Often if a private school does want to get rid of a teacher (for legitimate or illegitimate reasons) the education authorities will find a place for that teacher somewhere in the system. |
I do not know about this one for sure. One private school fired a teacher and she sued to get her job back and won. Last I heard the principal is still trying to fire her. |
Hmmm, it seems someone higher up did get involved (education board/owner). Surprised the principal hasn't seen the reasoning and still trying to fire the teacher. And most likely the owner probably can't get rid of the principal with approval. It's very messy to get rid of full-time teachers at both public and private schools. The education board wants to avoid controversy if the teacher hasn't done anything illegal, one of the reasons in just moving teachers around.
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silkhighway
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