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shapeshifter
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I bet they all still have more money than the girls do. |
maybe, and maybe not.. and if so, not much more than the girl.
I'd also bet that in most Western couples and marriages the guys have more money than the girls do and for many if not most women interested in marriage, the amount of money he has, or stands to have is a very important factor (women couch this in different terms, like having "ambition")
ergo if the girl is going to take such a "dark road" (as you clearly suggest), she'd be hunting for much bigger game to "prostitute herself" (as you once again suggest)
it's actually not hard to imagine an in shape 35-40 year male old to be a far more interesting person to say a 25 year old female who will be vastly more mature than her same aged male counterpart who thinks going to out to drink beer is one of the most interesting things a person can do.
I've seen guys that age whose physiques put their younger slacker counterparts to shame. If they still have their hair, the only thing they give away is a wrinkle or two, at that age they still don't have too many of them if anything their face is more masculine with the baby boy fat having left their faces and overall, lines on a male face aren't (thankfully) considered completely unattractive by most females.
and they offer so much more (including knowing how to take care of you in the boudoir)
don't be a hatin..dear Draz.
or you'll become yet another bitter old Western female expat, they all sing the same tune. (especially after, say 30) |
I assume you're aware that the above is just a projection of the way you like to think about yourself. Why bother going to the trouble of using the 3rd person? There's something faintly depressing about your constant attempts to frame the world in a way that you find comforting. My guess is you're actually quite frightened of ending up poor and alone, even if you're not yet ready to admit that to yourself. Just my two cents. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| shapeshifter wrote: |
| rainism wrote: |
| Draz wrote: |
I bet they all still have more money than the girls do. |
maybe, and maybe not.. and if so, not much more than the girl.
I'd also bet that in most Western couples and marriages the guys have more money than the girls do and for many if not most women interested in marriage, the amount of money he has, or stands to have is a very important factor (women couch this in different terms, like having "ambition")
ergo if the girl is going to take such a "dark road" (as you clearly suggest), she'd be hunting for much bigger game to "prostitute herself" (as you once again suggest)
it's actually not hard to imagine an in shape 35-40 year male old to be a far more interesting person to say a 25 year old female who will be vastly more mature than her same aged male counterpart who thinks going to out to drink beer is one of the most interesting things a person can do.
I've seen guys that age whose physiques put their younger slacker counterparts to shame. If they still have their hair, the only thing they give away is a wrinkle or two, at that age they still don't have too many of them if anything their face is more masculine with the baby boy fat having left their faces and overall, lines on a male face aren't (thankfully) considered completely unattractive by most females.
and they offer so much more (including knowing how to take care of you in the boudoir)
don't be a hatin..dear Draz.
or you'll become yet another bitter old Western female expat, they all sing the same tune. (especially after, say 30) |
I assume you're aware that the above is just a projection of the way you like to think about yourself. Why bother going to the trouble of using the 3rd person? There's something faintly depressing about your constant attempts to frame the world in a way that you find comforting. My guess is you're actually quite frightened of ending up poor and alone, even if you're not yet ready to admit that to yourself. Just my two cents. |
no, I've been alone all of my life, why would I be 'afraid' of dying alone? And although I've never been "poor", I've never had any wealth and it has never mattered to me all that much. Sure all things being equal I'd like to have some nice money, but things are never all equal, are they?
as to my other "fears", well I remember panicking in my very early thirties, thinking at at 40 I'll have to jump off a cliff.
Interestingly enough, I lived abroad for a little while at that time, and taught college students and young adults. Thanks to extensive conversations with young women about age.. the meaning of age... aging.. what they think of older men, it became quickly apparent to me that there was no need to jump off a cliff at 40. One could wait until at least 50  and even then, there was some light at the end of that depressing tunnel.
so you see, what you term as my feeble attempts at framing the world that I find comforting is actually something that was framed FOR ME, actually. Before seeing the light, my view was far far darker.
Aging sucks, there's no way around it. But you know what? Given a choice i'd take being 35 over 25 any day, as a guy. Any day. It's aging over 40 that really begins to blow chunks.
As to "projection", I actually strive for the above, but I've seen others who can pull it off much more successfully than I can, so I know it can be done and done really well.
not all guys resign themselves or allow themselves to looking like Homer Simpson |
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shapeshifter
Joined: 29 Nov 2005
Location: Paris
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| rainism wrote: |
| shapeshifter wrote: |
| rainism wrote: |
| Draz wrote: |
I bet they all still have more money than the girls do. |
maybe, and maybe not.. and if so, not much more than the girl.
I'd also bet that in most Western couples and marriages the guys have more money than the girls do and for many if not most women interested in marriage, the amount of money he has, or stands to have is a very important factor (women couch this in different terms, like having "ambition")
ergo if the girl is going to take such a "dark road" (as you clearly suggest), she'd be hunting for much bigger game to "prostitute herself" (as you once again suggest)
it's actually not hard to imagine an in shape 35-40 year male old to be a far more interesting person to say a 25 year old female who will be vastly more mature than her same aged male counterpart who thinks going to out to drink beer is one of the most interesting things a person can do.
I've seen guys that age whose physiques put their younger slacker counterparts to shame. If they still have their hair, the only thing they give away is a wrinkle or two, at that age they still don't have too many of them if anything their face is more masculine with the baby boy fat having left their faces and overall, lines on a male face aren't (thankfully) considered completely unattractive by most females.
and they offer so much more (including knowing how to take care of you in the boudoir)
don't be a hatin..dear Draz.
or you'll become yet another bitter old Western female expat, they all sing the same tune. (especially after, say 30) |
I assume you're aware that the above is just a projection of the way you like to think about yourself. Why bother going to the trouble of using the 3rd person? There's something faintly depressing about your constant attempts to frame the world in a way that you find comforting. My guess is you're actually quite frightened of ending up poor and alone, even if you're not yet ready to admit that to yourself. Just my two cents. |
no, I've been alone all of my life, why would I be 'afraid' of dying alone? And although I've never been "poor", I've never had any wealth and it has never mattered to me all that much. Sure all things being equal I'd like to have some nice money, but things are never all equal, are they?
as to my other "fears", well I remember panicking in my very early thirties, thinking at at 40 I'll have to jump off a cliff.
Interestingly enough, I lived abroad for a little while at that time, and taught college students and young adults. Thanks to extensive conversations with young women about age.. the meaning of age... aging.. what they think of older men, it became quickly apparent to me that there was no need to jump off a cliff at 40. One could wait until at least 50 and even then, there was some light at the end of that depressing tunnel.
so you see, what you term as my feeble attempts at framing the world that I find comforting is actually something that was framed FOR ME, actually. Before seeing the light, my view was far far darker.
Aging sucks, there's no way around it. But you know what? Given a choice i'd take being 35 over 25 any day, as a guy. Any day. It's aging over 40 that really begins to blow chunks.
As to "projection", I actually strive for the above, but I've seen others who can pull it off much more successfully than I can, so I know it can be done and done really well.
not all guys resign themselves or allow themselves to looking like Homer Simpson |
To me, the dichotomy in question isn't so much Adonis vs. Homer Simpson but rather a life of genuine fulfillment and purpose (the definition of which, I concede, varies widely from one person to the next) vs. a rather pointless existence punctuated by isolated, and ultimately meaningless, sexual encounters, an ever-narrowing set of options, and a creeping awareness that things are inevitably going to get progressively worse. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| shapeshifter wrote: |
| rainism wrote: |
| shapeshifter wrote: |
| rainism wrote: |
| Draz wrote: |
I bet they all still have more money than the girls do. |
maybe, and maybe not.. and if so, not much more than the girl.
I'd also bet that in most Western couples and marriages the guys have more money than the girls do and for many if not most women interested in marriage, the amount of money he has, or stands to have is a very important factor (women couch this in different terms, like having "ambition")
ergo if the girl is going to take such a "dark road" (as you clearly suggest), she'd be hunting for much bigger game to "prostitute herself" (as you once again suggest)
it's actually not hard to imagine an in shape 35-40 year male old to be a far more interesting person to say a 25 year old female who will be vastly more mature than her same aged male counterpart who thinks going to out to drink beer is one of the most interesting things a person can do.
I've seen guys that age whose physiques put their younger slacker counterparts to shame. If they still have their hair, the only thing they give away is a wrinkle or two, at that age they still don't have too many of them if anything their face is more masculine with the baby boy fat having left their faces and overall, lines on a male face aren't (thankfully) considered completely unattractive by most females.
and they offer so much more (including knowing how to take care of you in the boudoir)
don't be a hatin..dear Draz.
or you'll become yet another bitter old Western female expat, they all sing the same tune. (especially after, say 30) |
I assume you're aware that the above is just a projection of the way you like to think about yourself. Why bother going to the trouble of using the 3rd person? There's something faintly depressing about your constant attempts to frame the world in a way that you find comforting. My guess is you're actually quite frightened of ending up poor and alone, even if you're not yet ready to admit that to yourself. Just my two cents. |
no, I've been alone all of my life, why would I be 'afraid' of dying alone? And although I've never been "poor", I've never had any wealth and it has never mattered to me all that much. Sure all things being equal I'd like to have some nice money, but things are never all equal, are they?
as to my other "fears", well I remember panicking in my very early thirties, thinking at at 40 I'll have to jump off a cliff.
Interestingly enough, I lived abroad for a little while at that time, and taught college students and young adults. Thanks to extensive conversations with young women about age.. the meaning of age... aging.. what they think of older men, it became quickly apparent to me that there was no need to jump off a cliff at 40. One could wait until at least 50 and even then, there was some light at the end of that depressing tunnel.
so you see, what you term as my feeble attempts at framing the world that I find comforting is actually something that was framed FOR ME, actually. Before seeing the light, my view was far far darker.
Aging sucks, there's no way around it. But you know what? Given a choice i'd take being 35 over 25 any day, as a guy. Any day. It's aging over 40 that really begins to blow chunks.
As to "projection", I actually strive for the above, but I've seen others who can pull it off much more successfully than I can, so I know it can be done and done really well.
not all guys resign themselves or allow themselves to looking like Homer Simpson |
To me, the dichotomy in question isn't so much Adonis vs. Homer Simpson but rather a life of genuine fulfillment and purpose (the definition of which, I concede, varies widely from one person to the next) vs. a rather pointless existence punctuated by isolated, and ultimately meaningless, sexual encounters, an ever-narrowing set of options, and a creeping awareness that things are inevitably going to get progressively worse. |
absolutely no disagreement.
but you should allow more for what you stated:
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| (the definition of which, I concede, varies widely from one person to the next) |
and things are inevitably going to get progressively worse. Married or not.
In fact, it's with the unhappily or grudgingly tolerant married people (which I would submit to you may outnumber actual "truly happily married") that this creeping awareness is the most acute and the progression, the worst.
I went to get my hair cut in Seoul a couple of weeks ago and my English speaking Korean stylist was telling me tales of herself and her married friends. She told me she now wishes she were single again (along with 3 out of her 4 best friends).
one of my Korean co teachers, who's mid thirties told me the other day, how she now wishes she didn't marry as young as she did (she was 27) |
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rainism
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Lunar Groove Gardener
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
Location: 1987 Subaru
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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One of my best family friends just buried his 2nd wife, 20 years his junior.
It was especially sad, as they had the kind of thing that jaded speculators on this board don't believe exists, let alone to experience.
Opportunists do exist.
Unhappy marriages between same aged people are prevalent.
If you love someone, then you should love them.
It's quite funny that people have a problem with THAT of all things.
Find a war to rail against, not love. |
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Koreadays
Joined: 20 May 2008
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:32 am Post subject: |
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Micheal Douglas is one of the richest guys in entertainment. Zeta Jones has nowhere near his money.
Anna Nichole Smith turned down that old guys repeated marriage proposals for years until he finally wore her down. |
ummm, you seem to forget he got divorced and his wife took him to the cleaners! he was very rich before.. but not now, and he can't command the same salaries he use too, and even then back in the 80's and early 90's he wasn't getting the money actors get today.
plus his ex, took all that money, she even went after the wallstreet 2 money stating the original was produced while she was married to him so any sequels should be split with her haahahahah
poor guy.... |
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