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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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 Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| A divide has apparently developed between the "idiots" who are useful and those who are not so much. |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with all the posters on this board that Barack Obama should resign asap, since he 1- bailed out greedy wall Street 2- huge corporations financed his campaign 3- Obama administration is absolutely packed with ex-executives of giant corporations and big Wall Street banks 4- health insurance companies helped to write huge portions of Obamacare 5- The national security apparatus that George W. Bush set up has been greatly expanded by Barack Obama
I agree with everyone here and the occupy wall street freedom fighters -- Obama is to blame, and a Republican -- Ron Paul or Herman Cain -- should be elected president next year.
Please look at this photo -- this is very important:
http://cyberbrethren.com/2011/10/06/down-with-evil-corporations/
I'm off to Fort Yukon for a few days, so I won't be able to respod to all your insults while I'm away. Just fyi. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Kimbop wrote: |
I agree with everyone here and the occupy wall street freedom fighters -- Obama is to blame, and a Republican -- Ron Paul or Herman Cain -- should be elected president next year. |
�viva la revoluti�n!
You left out the part about Obama continuing EVERY part of the Patriot Act, and executing American citizens without trial.
I'll own up. I voted for Obama (in a 51/49 swing state) based on what he said he would do. Since he actively lied about most of those things, we need someone -different- We need someone with a proven track record of honesty and incorruptibility. There ARE Democrats like that, but they aren't running for President. So find that Republican for yourself and vote for him! |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Kimbop wrote: |
I agree with all the posters on this board that Barack Obama should resign asap, since he 1- bailed out greedy wall Street 2- huge corporations financed his campaign 3- Obama administration is absolutely packed with ex-executives of giant corporations and big Wall Street banks 4- health insurance companies helped to write huge portions of Obamacare 5- The national security apparatus that George W. Bush set up has been greatly expanded by Barack Obama
I agree with everyone here and the occupy wall street freedom fighters -- Obama is to blame, and a Republican -- Ron Paul or Herman Cain -- should be elected president next year.
Please look at this photo -- this is very important:
http://cyberbrethren.com/2011/10/06/down-with-evil-corporations/
I'm off to Fort Yukon for a few days, so I won't be able to respod to all your insults while I'm away. Just fyi. |
People pointing out that protestors use things made by corporations, or that they can afford macbooks, is tiresome. I don't think that most of the protestors want an end to corporations, just corporate accountability. All it is is a cheap worthless shot to try and distract from their true greviences. The idea that if you can afford a macbook then you have nothing to complain about is stupid. You need a computer to effectively search for jobs, and it's not even prohibitively expensive to own a laptop anymore. Furthermore, wallstreet doesn't actually produce physical products, so the picture is increasingly pointless.
Herman Cain isn't a serious candidate, he's running so he can be a famous commentator and make money, and to sell books. In October he'll be on a book tour, not a campaign one, and he's the guy you think should be president. I'd say something about Paul, but that would derail this whole thing so I'll leave that alone. I feel increasingly disgusted with Obama, and think that I would have a very hard time voting at all for President in 2012. I'll do it if it's really close, otherwise I don't want to throw my vote away on someone who I can't trust. So far the Republicans running inspire more fear and loathing on my part, but don't want Obama to be president anymore. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:13 am Post subject: |
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| Kimbop wrote: |
I agree with all the posters on this board that Barack Obama should resign asap, since he 1- bailed out greedy wall Street 2- huge corporations financed his campaign 3- Obama administration is absolutely packed with ex-executives of giant corporations and big Wall Street banks 4- health insurance companies helped to write huge portions of Obamacare 5- The national security apparatus that George W. Bush set up has been greatly expanded by Barack Obama
I agree with everyone here and the occupy wall street freedom fighters -- Obama is to blame, and a Republican -- Ron Paul or Herman Cain -- should be elected president next year.
Please look at this photo -- this is very important:
http://cyberbrethren.com/2011/10/06/down-with-evil-corporations/
I'm off to Fort Yukon for a few days, so I won't be able to respod to all your insults while I'm away. Just fyi. |
Actually, it was Bush that bailed out the banks. I'm no Obama lover, but I find it interesting that just 3 years later certain people are already re-writing history. Can't wait to see what history books will say in a decade.
I find it amazing that one segment can protest the bank bailout and be labelled patriotic and responsible while another is called hippy anti-Americans. I guess it depends who you vote for. Like everything in the US, either you're the messiah or the antichrist. I suppose protesting taxation after you've used the system of benefits to get a good life is more patriotic than wanting to preserve that system of benefits to earn a good life, too. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:20 am Post subject: |
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Bless 'em.
They're protesting against capitalism. After they've finished protesting against capitalism, they're going to upload their pics (taken with their Apple I-phones) onto Facebook, whilst sitting in Starbucks, sending messages down AT&T phonelines to internet servers running Hitachi hard drives...all of which powered by Consolidated Edison, brought about by the burning of fossil fuels courtesy of Exxon Mobil. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:59 am Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
Bless 'em.
They're protesting against capitalism. After they've finished protesting against capitalism, they're going to upload their pics (taken with their Apple I-phones) onto Facebook, whilst sitting in Starbucks, sending messages down AT&T phonelines to internet servers running Hitachi hard drives...all of which powered by Consolidated Edison, brought about by the burning of fossil fuels courtesy of Exxon Mobil. |
Are they all really protesting capitalism? My impression was that lots of them were protesting crony capitalism, bank fraud, etc. etc. I mean what you're trotting out is a pretty tired simple minded cliche. People with an avatar about liberty who live in Saudi Arabia, Bless 'em. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
Are they all really protesting capitalism? My impression was that lots of them were protesting crony capitalism, bank fraud, etc. etc. I mean what you're trotting out is a pretty tired simple minded cliche. |
Both Occupy and the Tea Party are against bank bailouts, corporatism, and monetary policy which gives special favor to the wealthy. But the media will keep them at each other's throats to keep big special interests in power. And angry Americans will go right along with it. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| My impression was that lots of them were protesting crony capitalism, bank fraud, etc. etc |
Crony capitalism and bank fraud, eh? The poor luvs.
| Leon wrote: |
| People with an avatar about liberty who live in Saudi Arabia, Bless 'em. |
I left Saudi Arabia in May.
See location (look left)
Leon, would you mind answering me a question? [Ad Hominem Attack]? |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| My impression was that lots of them were protesting crony capitalism, bank fraud, etc. etc |
Crony capitalism and bank fraud, eh? The poor luvs.
| Leon wrote: |
| People with an avatar about liberty who live in Saudi Arabia, Bless 'em. |
I left Saudi Arabia in May.
See location (look left)
Leon, would you mind answering me a question? If your native language (an accident of birth) wasn't English, what would your job be? |
Ok, the socialist republic of Vietnam, my bad. Another tired cliche I see, you're under the impression that because I choose to work for a year teaching English in Korea I couldn't get any other job? My last job before coming to Korea was as a campaign manager for a state house seat. What about you? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:10 am Post subject: |
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The OWS is developing into something, but I can't figure out what yet.
Back in '08/'09 you could almost taste the anger at Wall Street in the air. The Tea Party exploded on the scene but it was co-opted so fast by the corporate world it made your head spin. It makes you wonder if it wasn't instigated in the first place by the fat cats. It certainly became funded by and guided by them (leaving aside their affinity for birtherism and neo-Confederate crap). When it came time for Congress to re-regulate and rein in the excesses of Wall Street, the Tea Party was completely behind defending corporate activity behind the phony screen of 'freedom' (by which they mean the freedom of the haves to get their Mitts on even more). The Tea Party was just a bunch of goats in sheep's clothing, far right conservatives defending corporate greed with every ounce of energy they could muster. Dodd-Frank turned out as weak as it did largely because of them.
But will this new crowd do any better?
At first I was frustrated by their lack of specifics. Now I'm warming up to the idea. �Here's the problem. We're paying you gov't types to govern and you have failed abysmally. Do something. Solve the problem.�
Anger has potential, but it is dangerous to vested interests. Chances are the media will manage to smear them as dirty, scruffy hippies and marginalize them. It's certainly in their interest to do so. It's in the interest of some of the corporate powers to try to provoke them into violent action and alienate the majority who legitimately want to address the problem of serious economic injustice.
This could turn out to be fun to watch. Maybe we'll get to see some corpses dangling from lamp posts after all.
My guess is they will come down on the side of 'if banks are too big to fail, then they are too big'. That's progressivism I can get behind. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| My guess is they will come down on the side of 'if banks are too big to fail, then they are too big'. That's progressivism I can get behind. |
All our economic woes can be solved with a fat tax. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
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| My guess is they will come down on the side of 'if banks are too big to fail, then they are too big'. That's progressivism I can get behind. |
All our economic woes can be solved with a fat tax. |
Is anyone suggesting that all our economic woes can be solved with a fat tax, as you call it?
Although I am on record for supporting the Eisenhower 91% tax, that is not really the issue here, not is it the issue the Occupy Wall Street people seem to be talking about, nor is it related to the sentence you chose to quote and respond to.
The sentence I wrote had to do with breaking up ginormous banks that are capable of taking down entire national economies when they adopt irresponsible policies and wreck the lives of countless people who are not responsible for the banks' actions. (Accountability can be a good thing.)Nothing in there about taxes. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Unfortunately, the unintended consequence of onerous banking regulations is that only the gigantosaurs can afford to satisfy the bureaucracy, the form-filling. The result is barriers to entry and a lack of competition. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| Unfortunately, the unintended consequence of onerous banking regulations is that only the gigantosaurs can afford to satisfy the bureacracy, the form-filling. The result is barriers to entry and a lack of competition. |
Who do you think writes the laws?
Its called government capture for a reason. |
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