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[john152]

http://koreajoongangdaily.joinsmsn.com/news/article/Article.aspx?aid=2943081

What bothers me about this ordinance is it could lead some schools to encourage students to be Gay . In the US this has already happened in some areas of the country see
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,52098,00.html

The fact of the matter is homosexuality is harmful and those who want to change can do so. The National Association for The Research and Therapy of Homosexuality has done a lot of
research into this subject. On their website there is a lot of evidence showing how people can change their sexual preference and the therapy used is not harmful. People can make character attacks
on Narth board members, but they can�t attack their research http://narth.com/

Narth is a secular group, but there are also religious groups which have had success in helping people overcome unwanted same sex desires. One such group is Exodus International . Many people have been helped by them. Here are some stories of people who have been helped
http://exodusinternational.org/resources/real-stories/#.TqF9RnK9R_J

Wellspring.kr is the Korean version of Exodus.

So there is indoctrination in public schools and that is harmful in the long run to the students. This is a well meaning measure by the Education Office and I have great respect the people who work there, but the ordinance is flawed.

[NovaKart]

How is homoexuality harmful?

How is promoting tolerance of gays, lesbians and transgender people encouraging students to be gay?

I checked out the Narth website. If they just stuck to trying to change people's sexual orientation through therapy without judgement of homosexuality then I would give them more credit but it doesn't look like they do that. The fact that they are supposedly secular is irrelevant. One can be secular and still homophobic.

[geldedgoat]

[aq8knyus]

americans...

[NovaKart]

Being homosexual isn't inherently harmful, especially if you're living in a more tolerant society.

There's nothing unfair about drawing attention specifically to bullying gays. It doesn't mean people don't take bullying of non-gays seriously. It's always been the argument of homophobes that gays are pushing the "gay agenda" to get some kind of special treatment. I'm not suggesting that you are a homophobe in any way but just pointing that out.

[Ineverlie&I'malwaysri]

Your premise is wrong. There is no evidence whatsoever that homosexuality is caused by "encouragement." If that were true, then people should easily be able to become heterosexual as well by "encouragement," yet attempts to change orientation in either direction have been notoriously unsuccessful, despite any claims of NARTH, and the American Psychological Association has found

[jvalmer]

What's with this 'student's human rights' craze happening in Seoul and area now? Most societies, if not all, don't give younger members of their society full rights anyways. Arguing that restricting hairstyle, or wearing a uniform, are gross violations of human rights is ridiculous.

[jrwhite82]

[Birder]

So much wrong with this thread, starting with two non-established "facts."

1) To whom is homosexuality harmful? And what exactly is that harm?
2) Are there any long term studies that probe not just the altered sexual habits of so-called ex-gays but also their psychological state? I know there've been enough ex-gays for whom the "therapy" didn't take that they've formed groups of ex-ex-gays.

The anti-gay element has so much invested in framing homosexuality purely in terms of behavior, because to admit that the need for affectional/emotional/sexual bonds of (ego-syntonic) gays lies at the very core of their being would lead the anti-gay crowd to have to take a line of saying, "Well, that's just too bad, it's sin, and you just have to resist it, like lying and stealing." Which is of course what they used to say, but they've wised up and realized that this makes them look like hard-hearted, hateful bigots.

I'll allow that among some ego-dystonic gays, it is possible to repress their innate beings and superimpose some semblance of heterosexuality onto their lives. But that does not make them heterosexual.

Our affectional/emotional attachments go far beyond merely what we do or wish to do with our genitals.

Can a gay man learn to put his genitals into a woman's? Of course. The question is, why should he feel he has to? Well, because there are still plenty of people in the world who tell him what a vile person he is for not wanting to. Don't think a gay man can learn this trick? Ever heard of gay-for-pay porn? Straight guys who give it up for cash? Happens all the time.

Anyway, I've got no problem with students anywhere being told that they'll get in trouble for bullying, even if they're bullying gay people.

[Birder]

By the way, wasn't that Florida man (preacher?) who got caught with a rent-boy "to carry his luggage" a board member of NARTH? And is my bringing this up an attack on his character, or just an illustration of how ludicrous the organization is, how founded on false assumptions it is?

[Ineverlie&I'malwaysri]

[Birder]

[Ya-ta Boy]

If you put your hand on the back of your head, right where the hard part meets the soft part, you'll find a hard bump. Back when you were around 10-11 years old, that spot got pushed, probably when you were wrestling around with the neighbor kid and it (the spot) popped out. That is when you became heterosexual. If you didn't get that spot pushed in the right time frame, you became homosexual. Once the bony part of the skull sets and hardens, it's much harder to change orientation.

This is why it is always a good idea to smack 10 year olds really hard on the back of the head whenever you run across one. The harder the better.

Dan Savage has an interesting idea vis a vis Herman Cain and a bj.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/21/dan-savage-herman-cain-oral-sex-gay_n_1024315.html

My question is: Why do gays get to choose to be gay when heteros don't get to choose to be hetero?

[Ya-ta Boy]

[Birder]