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Birder
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:58 am Post subject: Introducing Myself - Gyopo Woe |
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| Hey, Everyone. New here to the board and Korea. In a bit of a strange situation in that I'm full-blooded Korean but was adopted as an infant by Americans. So, I'm American, pretty much completely. Lots of baggage there, mostly resolved, but I now find it's pretty odd to look like I fit in to a culture but in fact do not, and the reactions I get from Koreans. Any other adoptees out there who can relate? How do you deal with it? I'm finding I face hostility, however muted, to looking like I belong but not, in fact, belonging. I get it, the social dynamic, but I don't yet know how to live with it. Suggestions? Advice? HELP! |
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jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Not an adopted Korea, so take this however you want.
First of all, Koreans will usually assume if someone looks Korean, they will speak Korean. After that it's as process of elimination. Goes from Korean to not Korean at all. Probably the last thing they will think of is you being adopted. So often they'll assume you're some American born Korean that is being arrogant, or something.
I've noticed kind of a collective guilt about giving up so many to foreign adoption. So if they actually determine you were adopted overseas, the hostility you perceive is probably more of confusion and guilt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_adoptee
Read the first paragraph. I'd say that sums up Koreans' current feelings about foreign adoptions and adoptees. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:39 am Post subject: Re: Introducing Myself - Gyopo Woe |
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| Birder wrote: |
| Hey, Everyone. New here to the board and Korea. In a bit of a strange situation in that I'm full-blooded Korean but was adopted as an infant by Americans. So, I'm American, pretty much completely. Lots of baggage there, mostly resolved, but I now find it's pretty odd to look like I fit in to a culture but in fact do not, and the reactions I get from Koreans. Any other adoptees out there who can relate? How do you deal with it? I'm finding I face hostility, however muted, to looking like I belong but not, in fact, belonging. I get it, the social dynamic, but I don't yet know how to live with it. Suggestions? Advice? HELP! |
hey mate, i am also an adopted kyopo much like yourself. when i came here it took some adjustment, but for the way my mind works i found that korea actually makes much more sense a lot more often than america does.
however, i have not gotten any hostility from being a kyopo. in fact when korean males ask me how life is here in korea for me i tell them about how unfair my position is compared to theirs. for them they have to deal with their social constructs and boundaries involving work, women, military, and life in general, but since i have the magical waegookin card i can often skirt those without a problem many times with nothing more than a wink and a smile. i tell them that they could never understand but i get treated like a king here and most of it is completely unwarranted besides the fact i can speak english which is hardly a reason in of itself.
keep your head up and just remember that while your situation isn't uncommon it doesn't have to be that way. it does help to live in seoul instead of a surrounding town as well as being charismatic and kind or like another poster said you might come across as being arrogant and aloof. remember to memorize the polite way to say "i don't speak much korean" and don't hesitate to say it. if you plan on sticking around get learning that korean stat, and try to get out of the teaching game as koreans will give you a lot more respect if you are a kyopo that isn't a teacher. |
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robinsoncrusoe
Joined: 22 Jan 2010
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:30 am Post subject: Re: Introducing Myself - Gyopo Woe |
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as another male gyopo, agree for the most part with the above.
also, most of what you'll experience at first should just be chalked up to culture shock. we all get it.
i felt defensive and insecure my first few months here until I finally learned to loosen up and get over whatever was bothering me about the culture here. within days i began to see just how good life is here for gyopo guys (slightly different story for the gyopo gals...but that's another story).
like wishful said, it's almost unfair how much shit we get away with for no legitimately good reason. if you manage to break out of/avoid the english teaching world, you'll see that you have options the majority of other foreigners can't even touch.
i have the opposite problem of most guys i know. too many girls and more money than i ever thought i'd make at my age. but none of it happened until i knocked the chip off the shoulder. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011 Location: Here
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Being able to speak de lingo like the above poster, will obviously open a lot of doors. No speak de lingo = work at ps job or maybe hakwan earning less than the average esl teacher. Unless you're a hot female and then you can get good money at the swank hakwans in Seoul if you don't mind being ogled some.
Welcome to office politics in Korea kid. |
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Birder
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Thanks to everyone for chiming in. I guess I painted a harsher picture than I needed to. It's not AWFUL or anything, just really disorienting. Probably mostly just culture shock and my own insecurities. I'm already working on learning the mother tongue and since I posted I found a new dish I LOVE - dak-dori-tang! mmmm. Life is good, pretty much. I hope you don't mind if use any of you guys to bounce things off of if I hit another wall. Thanks again.
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braindrops
Joined: 13 Sep 2011
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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:07 am Post subject: |
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for the gyopo set, is it a given that to find employment not of the english teaching variety, that you should get to learning korean stat? not so long ago one poster, freakstar, mentioned that he landed a corporate job at a chaebol, which he largely attributed to his korean and his ivy league papers.
in my experience, i have been turned down on four occasions, for the following reasons:
1) not a female gyopo -- for a translator job for a touring athlete
2) not a white person (not my words, my recruiter's) -- for a corporation business program
3) not good enough at korean (twice) -- one test-prep position (required bilingual), one 1:1 position
would it be fair to say that korean is more important for gyopo guys than it is for gyopo girls? |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| braindrops wrote: |
for the gyopo set, is it a given that to find employment not of the english teaching variety, that you should get to learning korean stat? not so long ago one poster, freakstar, mentioned that he landed a corporate job at a chaebol, which he largely attributed to his korean and his ivy league papers.
in my experience, i have been turned down on four occasions, for the following reasons:
1) not a female gyopo -- for a translator job for a touring athlete
2) not a white person (not my words, my recruiter's) -- for a corporation business program
3) not good enough at korean (twice) -- one test-prep position (required bilingual), one 1:1 position
would it be fair to say that korean is more important for gyopo guys than it is for gyopo girls? |
not a given in every situation but a very good rule to abide by. plus why wouldn't you want to be able to speak the language of a country you are living in?
if someone is planning on trying to get a job here they should study korean more than a transient type, but there are exceptions to any rule of course. my korean is about on par with a 5 year old but i got a great corporation gig, however i can't honestly attribute getting it to my alma mater or korean skill (or lackthereof).
ultimately it goes to show if a person is completely bilingual here it can open up some major doors like in freakstar's case or brownyn mullen, the blonde south african girl who presents for kbs2. |
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