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minos
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 Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:44 am Post subject: After-school programs and low enrollment: not re-hired? |
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So I'm past the half-way point in my contract and like my position. The first 2-3 months were a little rough, but now things are going great and the kids love my teaching. We're still profitable but barely($1000+ a month).
Problem is our enrollment is stagnant and low(about 70 students). We replaced another company's program and they screwed up things so bad that they lost over 100 students and had a public incident where the police were called in to investigate. Rep with the staff was abysmal. We suspect the teachers don't even send out our advertisements due to those morons.
So we're pretty much left with the die-hards and a few flaky walk-ins. We gained about 10 students and lost 8 due to them moving to different cities this semester....I can't win!
My co-teacher says we're doing "fine"(no major complaints by parents, kids are mostly happy), but the company is worried and bugs her about enrollment.
Will this affect my chances of being re-hired? Anybody ever been in a similar situation. If I have to change to a different after school program, will they hold it against me that my student enrollment numbers were low? |
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radcon
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| Profit seeking entities and education do not mix. |
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ewlandon
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:52 am Post subject: |
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Sorry I can't really help you but wish you luck on getting rehired.
I just had to comment that
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| Profit seeking entities and education do not mix. |
is incorrect and also no help to OP.
Some of the best schools in the US ( and the world) are private schools. No matter how you spin it they are profit seaking entities that do a great job ad educating their clients. Such a great job that people line up outside the door and try to prove to those schools that they are good enough to give the school their money. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| ewlandon wrote: |
Sorry I can't really help you but wish you luck on getting rehired.
I just had to comment that
| radcon wrote: |
| Profit seeking entities and education do not mix. |
is incorrect and also no help to OP.
Some of the best schools in the US ( and the world) are private schools. No matter how you spin it they are profit seaking entities that do a great job ad educating their clients. Such a great job that people line up outside the door and try to prove to those schools that they are good enough to give the school their money. |
No doubt there are some wonderful private schools that educate well. But they also probably compromise their educational integrity for the bucks: allowing less qualified applicants in who can pay over better students who can't, kowtowing to the clients every whim, even doctoring transcripts so their students can get into the best colleges. |
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FDNY
Joined: 27 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: After-school programs and low enrollment: not re-hired? |
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| minos wrote: |
So I'm past the half-way point in my contract and like my position. The first 2-3 months were a little rough, but now things are going great and the kids love my teaching. We're still profitable but barely($1000+ a month).
Problem is our enrollment is stagnant and low(about 70 students). We replaced another company's program and they screwed up things so bad that they lost over 100 students and had a public incident where the police were called in to investigate. Rep with the staff was abysmal. We suspect the teachers don't even send out our advertisements due to those morons.
So we're pretty much left with the die-hards and a few flaky walk-ins. We gained about 10 students and lost 8 due to them moving to different cities this semester....I can't win!
My co-teacher says we're doing "fine"(no major complaints by parents, kids are mostly happy), but the company is worried and bugs her about enrollment.
Will this affect my chances of being re-hired? Anybody ever been in a similar situation. If I have to change to a different after school program, will they hold it against me that my student enrollment numbers were low? |
I work for an afterschool program in Incheon. It took me a while to figure out the system. I didn't even meet my manager until about six months in. I'm not sure how much each student pays in fees. I do know that the Korean teacher makes money per student. Therefore the more students the higher the Korean teachers salary. I teach at two different schools and have about 45 students at each school. My Korean teachers seem pretty content. Other teachers at the school don't even give me the time of day. I commented on this a few days ago and the post was promptly deleted. Also the max class size is supposed to be 12. And the Korean teacher is always the boss. So even a mightey whitey with a Ph.D. in education will be taking orders from a 21-year-old Korean flunky that can barely string a sentence together. |
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thegadfly
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| ewlandon wrote: |
Sorry I can't really help you but wish you luck on getting rehired.
I just had to comment that
| radcon wrote: |
| Profit seeking entities and education do not mix. |
is incorrect and also no help to OP.
Some of the best schools in the US ( and the world) are private schools. No matter how you spin it they are profit seaking entities that do a great job ad educating their clients. Such a great job that people line up outside the door and try to prove to those schools that they are good enough to give the school their money. |
No doubt there are some wonderful private schools that educate well. But they also probably compromise their educational integrity for the bucks: allowing less qualified applicants in who can pay over better students who can't, kowtowing to the clients every whim, even doctoring transcripts so their students can get into the best colleges. |
If you don't think ALL schools "compromise educational integrity" for some reason or another, you haven't really become familiar with the way other schools are run. Try working for a public school in the US for a few years, then try to discuss "educational integrity. |
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rowdie3
Joined: 22 Sep 2003
Location: Itaewon, Seoul
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I have worked in afterschools for four years. Here is the answer to your question as I have experienced it:
If enrollment is down, the company risks loosing the contract with that school.
If they loose the contract, but still like you then they may try to move you to another school.
If they loose the contract and have doubts about you (any complaints, lateness, missed days, tense emails to the company), then you will be out the door.
Also, if they keep the school but have any bad thoughts about you, then they will not renew your contract.
Don't worry though. Easy to find a new one. |
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FDNY
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| If enrollment is down, the company risks loosing the contract with that school. |
Actually, I don't think the school cares. The company will close the classes because they are in the red.
You are right about easy to find a new job though. My ASP pays 3,200,000/month for 5X45min. classes/day. Even so, we have a hard time getting qualified (white) F-2s to fill the places. I don't think I will be let go for some time. |
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minos
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not on an f-2 though....e-2. Although I had no problem getting offers last time I applied to after school programs.
Schools do get pissed if your losing tons of students. |
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rowdie3
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, FDNY, that's what I meant.
If enrollment is down, the company pulls the program out of the school.
They have to have enough students to pay the foreign teacher, the Korean teacher, and the overhead and make a worthwhile profit in order to keep it running. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| thegadfly wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| ewlandon wrote: |
Sorry I can't really help you but wish you luck on getting rehired.
I just had to comment that
| radcon wrote: |
| Profit seeking entities and education do not mix. |
is incorrect and also no help to OP.
Some of the best schools in the US ( and the world) are private schools. No matter how you spin it they are profit seaking entities that do a great job ad educating their clients. Such a great job that people line up outside the door and try to prove to those schools that they are good enough to give the school their money. |
No doubt there are some wonderful private schools that educate well. But they also probably compromise their educational integrity for the bucks: allowing less qualified applicants in who can pay over better students who can't, kowtowing to the clients every whim, even doctoring transcripts so their students can get into the best colleges. |
If you don't think ALL schools "compromise educational integrity" for some reason or another, you haven't really become familiar with the way other schools are run. Try working for a public school in the US for a few years, then try to discuss "educational integrity. |
Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner!!!
Expand that to Canadian public schools as well...."educational integrity" is quite "flexible".
Canadian schools pandering to parents at the expense of education and teachers? Check
Tweaking results to avoid issues? Check
Short changing teachers and letting students get away with nearly everything to avoid problems? Double check.
Wait a tic...Universities do some of this too...to get more funding.
Me thinks someone needs more practical experience in various schools to go with what apprears to be a more theoretical body of knowledge on educational standards...  |
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DaHu
Joined: 09 Feb 2011
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| FDNY wrote: |
| rowdie3 wrote: |
| If enrollment is down, the company risks loosing the contract with that school. |
Actually, I don't think the school cares. The company will close the classes because they are in the red.
You are right about easy to find a new job though. My ASP pays 3,200,000/month for 5X45min. classes/day. Even so, we have a hard time getting qualified (white) F-2s to fill the places. I don't think I will be let go for some time. |
Because there aren't that many white F-2s. |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Why does F-2's have an advantage or more preferable to employers over an E-2? |
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Ribena
Joined: 07 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:56 am Post subject: |
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Well private (independent schools) in the UK generally get the best results because they have more resources, smaller class sizes and more focused students due to parental involvement. I've found much more teaching to the test and fiddling levels in KS3 in state schools than private schools. I found much more pressure for results in state schools because they have the government ready to declare them "failing" if they don't achieve particular results and they are dealing with kids from more "deprived" backgrounds.
Some private schools in the UK are also much smaller so they can have a more relaxed family feel. Teachers have more opportunity to get to know different students and their needs. I worked in a independent school in UK and it was a joy. Really lovely place. If I had kids and �9,000 a year to pay for fees I would happily send them there.
Oh and just to add, kids got away with much more at state schools than at private schools. If a kids in the private school was out of line and didn't turn up to his detention then you would simply phone their parents - when it came state schools it was much more awkward. |
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| Why does F-2's have an advantage or more preferable to employers over an E-2? |
Because they can be hired without the needed visa issues for E2s. An F visa can just walk up and collect a paycheck. They can also walk away again.
F2s also tend to be a bit more experienced as it takes time in country to meet a local girl, get married etc.
And if you are an F2 with kids to support, you will take the job more seriously on average than an E2 out on a 1 year OE.
The first one is a certain advantage, the next two are statistical tendencies only, but together it's a good package. |
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