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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:10 am Post subject: |
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| But its pearls before swine. |
Haha!!
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| The great and historic sport of F1 is wasted on nouveau riche upstarts who will not and cannot appreciate it. |
Too true!!
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| Looking forward to it going back to South Africa. |
That would be cool!! The circus always found SA very hospitable. For it to happen though, we'd need to restore the 'old' Kyalami, or harbor-front Cape Town at very least.
On that note, the Korea track didn't do anything for me, doesn't seem like it has makings of a classic. You'd think with all the history of F1, track designers could pull something outta the bag. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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All that's needed to get Koreans going nuts for F1 is a Team Hyundai or Team Samsung.......or one or two Koreans driving for other teams.
Like others have said, Koreans have no reference point for this sport. You'll find very little interest for any sport here in which Koreans don't participate. No one to cheer for.
But as soon as a Korean is competing in a sport against other nationalities.....whoa! |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| It never helped that the Koreans ran the race like your typical hakwon... |
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maladict23
Joined: 17 May 2011
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Handing out free tickets to every one in the town was not a good idea as it was a real kick in the teeth to people who paid very good money for tickets. Also, the location of the track is just plain nuts. It is doomed to failure being all the way down there.
I agree with a lot of the comments in this thread. Poor organization, Koreans just not caring about a sport that does not paint them positively in a global light, terrible facilities at the track. Although that one comment about park Ji sung at Manchester united missed the target. He is there on merit and would walk in to just about every EPL team.
The future looks really bleak, as Bernie Ecclestone well not give money or help to the Koreans. And if reports are true that Korea is paying the highest fee to stage a race then that just adds to the overall mismanagement.
I really hope the race stays as at the end of the day it's a GP in the country we live in, and the two races on the track at least have been far from dull. |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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All may not be lost. Other countries have called Bernie's bluff and won:
FORMULA ONE GOING TO PAY TV
I have been suggesting for some time now that as more and more countries balk at continuing to pay extortion money in the millions to Bernie Ecclestone for the pleasure of presenting F1 races on their home soil, the chances of making you and me pay to watch the races on special pay TV channels has been increasing.
Well, the penny dropped today when it was revealed that Britain�s BBC (where TSN gets its signal) will only carry half the races next year and the rest will go on Sky TV, which is a pay TV channel in Britain that charges more than 30 British pounds a month ($45 a month Canadian) for its sports package of soccer, rugby and � now � F1 races.
Canada was the first to call Berni�s bluff and is now paying a sanctioning fee that is significantly lower than it was previously. We lost our race for a year but it paid off (at least in the short term). Other countries are starting to follow suit. Australia has served notice it no longer will pay up, as has the local and state government where the Nurburgring is located in Germany, and so-on. Even Malaysia, Singapore and China have been rumbling about the costs. (It seems that only the newbies, India and the U.S., are willing to fork over outrageous amounts, but give them a few years and they'll see the light.)
F1 is going to have to get the money from somewhere, so guess what? Get ready to shell out.
It�s too early to say what the implications are for Canadian fans in the short term but I�ll bet you right now that within five years (and maybe a lot sooner), you�ll have to pay Rogers or Bell a pretty penny to watch those races.
They already have Major League Baseball packages you can buy, and NHL and NFL packages, and WWE wrestling pay-per-view and MMA pay-per-view.
How does F1 pay-per-view sound?
http://thestar.blogs.com/autoracing/grand-prix-of-canada/
Maybe they can get a reduction AND save the race. Bernie has three new races coming (Russia, Austin, New Jersey) and may feel he is in the driver's seat, but a lot of other countries are starting to balk at the costs as well. |
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maladict23
Joined: 17 May 2011
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| They have dropped the ball by putting f1 on pay for view. the sponsors want maximum exposure and pay for view is not that. F1 is not a sport like football that has a huge nationwide following. It is still a specialist sport and many f1 fans are simply saying they won't pay for the fee. |
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xhaktmtjdnf
Joined: 20 Mar 2011
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| I agree the business and political decision behind F1 in Korea have been questionable. However, the idea that somehow Koreans can't appreciate F1 racing, because there's no Park Ji Sung or easily identifiable symbol or Korea seems flimsy. I think the problems of F1 in Korea has more to do with the people running it then Koreans not appreciating F1, because they don't have a proper appreciation of international culture as some might think. |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| xhaktmtjdnf wrote: |
| I agree the business and political decision behind F1 in Korea have been questionable. However, the idea that somehow Koreans can't appreciate F1 racing, because there's no Park Ji Sung or easily identifiable symbol or Korea seems flimsy. I think the problems of F1 in Korea has more to do with the people running it then Koreans not appreciating F1, because they don't have a proper appreciation of international culture as some might think. |
A lot of Korean friends were impressed that I was going to the race. They lamented that they would like to have gone, but couldn't afford it. Maybe there wasn't enough "affordable" seating? Not all of the tix were in the million won range. |
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maladict23
Joined: 17 May 2011
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 6:57 am Post subject: |
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You could pick up tickets in the cheap section for 40,000 won if you bought half price in April. The fact they gave out thousands of free tickets in 2010 to local people was a real kick in the teeth to paying race going fans.
Koreans simply don't have any interest in formula 1. That is not a bad thing, just a simple fact. Holding the race outside of Seoul was suicide.
Hyundai have already said they have no intention of joining as a team so there will be zero Korean interest active in the pit lane. One thing we all know after living here is there is nothing the Koreans like better than cheering themselves on on a global platform.
Simply, f1 is doomed to fail, I just hope we can squeeze one more race out of yeongam next season before it becomes Asia's largest white elephant. |
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88Sparky
Joined: 02 Oct 2011
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| It's a very simple economics explanation. If there is no demand, then there is no need for supply. |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| 88Sparky wrote: |
| It's a very simple economics explanation. If there is no demand, then there is no need for supply. |
Though supply can create its own demand. |
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88Sparky
Joined: 02 Oct 2011
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| shifty wrote: |
| 88Sparky wrote: |
| It's a very simple economics explanation. If there is no demand, then there is no need for supply. |
Though supply can create its own demand. |
True, but in this case if there is no demand for it, then the supply will wane. |
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blm
Joined: 11 Nov 2010
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| xhaktmtjdnf wrote: |
| I think the problems of F1 in Korea has more to do with the people running it then Koreans not appreciating F1, because they don't have a proper appreciation of international culture as some might think. |
I agree.
I think it would be a totally different feel to the race if it was closer to civilisation.
A Suwon, Busan or even Jeju (which people can fly to easly and there are already hotels).
There is not a strong racing culture in Korea but if it was more accesible plenty of people would get into it. Even though Australia has a much richer racing pedigree (has a current driver and a former WorlD Champion) when you go to the Melbourne GP most fans are bandwagoners.
A GP is great event that is a lot of fun but it's hidden and badly run then how would Korean's know that. |
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GoldMember
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Before Kim YonA came along there was zero interest in figure skating. Now its broadcast on prime time tv. Once she retires and there is no longer a Korean replacement there will be zero interest again. Same with soccer. The British clubs that Korean support are the ones with Korean players. The players change clubs so does the loyalty. No Korean F1 driver=no interest. |
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jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldMember wrote: |
| Before Kim YonA came along there was zero interest in figure skating. Now its broadcast on prime time tv. Once she retires and there is no longer a Korean replacement there will be zero interest again. Same with soccer. The British clubs that Korean support are the ones with Korean players. The players change clubs so does the loyalty. No Korean F1 driver=no interest. |
Somebody was interested, otherwise Kim Yun-A would have never taken up figure skating. |
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