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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:46 pm Post subject: Arrest on my record. How screwed am I? |
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Long story short, I was arrested in 2003 for something my friend did (a bunch of us were arrested together). My friend admitted to it, and the case was dismissed on my end. I have seen plenty of discussion about arrests preventing people from renewing an E-2 visa (which I am currently on).
I'm with an amazing girl right now and want to stick around to see if we work out. I'm wondering what legal means I can use to stay in the country.
1) Would an arrest with no conviction prevent me from getting that new point system visa (F-5 I believe it is)?
2) Would an arrest with no conviction prevent me from getting an F-2 visa if we got married.
3) Would an arrest with no conviction prevent me from getting employment assuming I do get a visa?
4) Would an immigration lawyer help in any way?
I feel like I'm guilty until proven innocent here (the dismissal basically says "innocent" already). I feel I'm a strong teacher and it's not good for anyone I'm denied a visa for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time. |
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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008 Location: Marakesh
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:12 am Post subject: |
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What does your FBI check say? How did you get here in the first place if your state CBC had this on it? Did you actually get entered into the system?
First, FBI reports ONLY contain whatever information local authorities forward to them. So if you got busted for cow tipping or smashing mailboxes, it probably wouldn't even get forwarded. By law (or actually by bribery and inducement by the feds), the only crimes that are required to be reported to the FBI are the eight Part 1 offenses - murder/negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, arson, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny theft, and auto theft. If it wasn't one of those crimes, then the odds of it getting reported go down dramatically.
Of course, this does depend on jurisdiction. Some jurisdictions report everything, and it all goes on there. Some only report those particular ones. The rest are somewhere in the middle. If you're from a right-leaning state, you've got a better chance of not having anything there. If you're from California, game over son.
Second, even if something is there, if it's only an arrest as you say it is, you can have that removed from the record. It takes a bit of work, but it's doable.
Long story short, if you haven't been convicted, you should be fine. You MAY have some legwork to do to get everything squared away, but you can do it. |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:22 am Post subject: |
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nathanrutledge wrote: |
What does your FBI check say? How did you get here in the first place if your state CBC had this on it? Did you actually get entered into the system?
First, FBI reports ONLY contain whatever information local authorities forward to them. So if you got busted for cow tipping or smashing mailboxes, it probably wouldn't even get forwarded. By law (or actually by bribery and inducement by the feds), the only crimes that are required to be reported to the FBI are the eight Part 1 offenses - murder/negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, arson, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny theft, and auto theft. If it wasn't one of those crimes, then the odds of it getting reported go down dramatically.
Of course, this does depend on jurisdiction. Some jurisdictions report everything, and it all goes on there. Some only report those particular ones. The rest are somewhere in the middle. If you're from a right-leaning state, you've got a better chance of not having anything there. If you're from California, game over son.
Second, even if something is there, if it's only an arrest as you say it is, you can have that removed from the record. It takes a bit of work, but it's doable.
Long story short, if you haven't been convicted, you should be fine. You MAY have some legwork to do to get everything squared away, but you can do it. |
Perhaps a little more detail:
I was able to get my visa initially because I went to court and had the records sealed (explained it to the judge and he said it was fine). This prevented them from showing up on my state CBC. However, I have read that sealed records still show up on an FBI check, and my arrest is for arson; (friend threw a firework into an apartment hallway).
I am not trying to be offensive, as you have been helpful, but are you sure about the information here? I have no problem doing legwork, but I've been freaking out a little bit (and I'm not prone to freakouts). |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:39 am Post subject: |
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Bascially if any arrests show up on your CBC, you are likely to be denied a visa. |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:17 am Post subject: |
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PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Bascially if any arrests show up on your CBC, you are likely to be denied a visa. |
All kinds of visas? |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:37 am Post subject: |
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akcrono wrote: |
PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Bascially if any arrests show up on your CBC, you are likely to be denied a visa. |
All kinds of visas? |
The E2 at the very least.
As for the F2, you would need to check with kimmi. |
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r122925
Joined: 02 Jun 2011
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:11 am Post subject: |
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First, have you actually obtained an FBI check yet? Does the arrest actually show up? The arrest may be there, but as others have said, there's also a very good chance that it won't. Get the check done first before you freak out.
The FBI check is only required for the E-2 visa. If it does show up you won't be able to get an E-2 visa.
For the F-2, currently no background check is required. You can have an arrest record a mile long and immigration will never know about it. However, it appears that new rules are being put into place by the ministry of education to require F visa holders to submit an FBI record check in order to teach. As an F-2 holder you may not be able to teach if this arrest shows up on your record. But you would still likely be able to do just about any other job. Also, these rules are brand new and no one really knows how it's going to work yet. They may be smart enough to look past an arrest that did not lead to a conviction, they might not.
In the long run if you ever apply for an F-5 or to become a naturalized Korean citizen a background check is preformed. However, you don't submit this yourself. Immigration will forward your information to the Korean consulate in your home country who will try to dig up whatever information they can about you. It's unclear exactly what sort of check is done, and it likely varies by country. This arrest may or may not show up at that time, and may or may not cause problems for you if it does. |
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jeronimoski
Joined: 11 Apr 2011
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:29 am Post subject: |
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nathanrutledge wrote: |
First, FBI reports ONLY contain whatever information local authorities forward to them. So if you got busted for cow tipping or smashing mailboxes, it probably wouldn't even get forwarded. By law (or actually by bribery and inducement by the feds), the only crimes that are required to be reported to the FBI are the eight Part 1 offenses - murder/negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, arson, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny theft, and auto theft. If it wasn't one of those crimes, then the odds of it getting reported go down dramatically.
Of course, this does depend on jurisdiction. Some jurisdictions report everything, and it all goes on there. Some only report those particular ones. The rest are somewhere in the middle. If you're from a right-leaning state, you've got a better chance of not having anything there. If you're from California, game over son.
Second, even if something is there, if it's only an arrest as you say it is, you can have that removed from the record. It takes a bit of work, but it's doable.
Long story short, if you haven't been convicted, you should be fine. You MAY have some legwork to do to get everything squared away, but you can do it. |
Not everything can be removed from your record. Saying that is wrong. You can have a misdemeanor from certain states (Florida for one) that cannot be erased from your record. That's a fact. Any in some cases, even a dismissal of a charge MAY STILL show up on your FBI check even if you were never convicted. That is also a fact. I would do the FBI check and see what comes out on your record and go from there. |
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T-J

Joined: 10 Oct 2008 Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:32 am Post subject: |
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Previous post is full of wrong information.
Background checks are performed for an F-2 visa. There are no "new" MOE rules. The recent legislation simply holds employers responsible for verifying current requirements.
Dave's. Nuff said...
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jeronimoski
Joined: 11 Apr 2011
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:38 am Post subject: asdf |
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Which post? Mine? I don't think so.
And yes, there is a rumor going around that F-2 and F-5 visa holders may be required to submit CBC and diplomas from their country of origin to the MOE. Check the other threads on this. While it's still a rumor, it may become law. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:40 am Post subject: Re: asdf |
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jeronimoski wrote: |
Which post? Mine? I don't think so.
And yes, there is a rumor going around that F-2 and F-5 visa holders may be required to submit CBC and diplomas to the MOE. Check the other threads on this. While it's still a rumor, it may become law. |
F2s need to have a BA from a University in one of the 7 approved countries to get a teaching job. This has been the case for a while.
The F-visas are residency visas, not employment visas. To gain employment, the F-visa holder needs to meet the requirements of the job he applies for. In the case of teaching English that would the BA for example. |
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jeronimoski
Joined: 11 Apr 2011
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:44 am Post subject: ads |
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Of course you do. Check my post. They may now be required for the MOE. That stands for Ministry of Education if you didn't know clearly enough. So no, it does not affect your residency. It affects your ability to work in a teaching job....if they change the law and require F series holders to submit apostilled CRC and university diploma TO the MOE. |
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hagwonnewbie

Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Location: Asia
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:22 am Post subject: |
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contact an attorney from the state in which you were arrested. Ask them about having the arrest expunged.
You can probably get it expunged by petitioning the court yourself. Then your FBI CBC would be cleared. Every state is different. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:26 am Post subject: Re: ads |
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jeronimoski wrote: |
Of course you do. Check my post. They may now be required for the MOE. That stands for Ministry of Education if you didn't know clearly enough. So no, it does not affect your residency. It affects your ability to work in a teaching job....if they change the law and require F series holders to submit apostilled CRC and university diploma TO the MOE. |
Yep its a MOE initiative NOT a Kimmi initiative and that means a lot, namely that no one will be kicked out of the country. |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:18 am Post subject: Re: ads |
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jeronimoski wrote: |
Of course you do. Check my post. They may now be required for the MOE. That stands for Ministry of Education if you didn't know clearly enough. So no, it does not affect your residency. It affects your ability to work in a teaching job....if they change the law and require F series holders to submit apostilled CRC and university diploma TO the MOE. |
Hakwons don't have to follow the MOE rules and stipulations, correct? F-2's would have to get a background check for a public school, but does he need all the CBC/apostille crap for hagwons or after school positions, too? |
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