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Two D.U.I's on my CBR, am I screwed?
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Ribena



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wrong thread

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Ribena



Joined: 07 Apr 2011
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wrong thread.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrwhite82 wrote:
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I don't know of any blanket rule that applies to everyone that gets filed at the POE to teach in hagwons/public schools here in regards to their CBC. I mean isn't it common practice to just transfer a teacher who was accused (and maybe even proven) of diddling or hitting a kid.



Well it depends on whether you are talking about foreign teachers or Korean teachers. Most foreign teachers come here on an E-2 so it would be an immigration call whether or not to issue them said visa in the first place. And as we now know, it is highly unlikely that anything less than a totally clean record check will result in said visa being granted.

For F-visas who work at schools it is the POE's call.

For Korean nationals it also depends. If you are applying FOR a teaching job and your CBC has blemishes on it it is also unlikely you will be accepted. If however once you get accepted it's a little harder to get tossed out (due to a strong union).

But I really really doubt that nowadays any teacher that was PROVEN to have sexually assaulted a minor wouldn't be tossed out on his ear instead of just transferred. A They kicked out a whole bunch of principals over a bribery scandal a few years back so I doubt they'd let something like this slide anymore.

If you see my links two teachers got fired for sexually harassing students and one for having sex with a middle school student.

Hitting yes, there's been a few cases like that over the years. But you can bet that given the media scrutiny over that, that those teachers are minding their 'p's' and 'q's' so as to speak.

http://educationinkorea.blogspot.com/2010/04/10-senior-educators-fired-for.html

http://www.thewaygookeffect.com/2011/01/record-number-of-seoul-educators-fired.html
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jrwhite82



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I'd agree that the proven diddling will get a Korean teacher fired, but proven hitting often just winds up in a transfer to a different school and some blood money.
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pchi



Joined: 29 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, I think I understand that since I'm on an F-4 Visa, getting a visa is not an issue due to my two DUI's on my CBR. However, since it is in the hands of the P.O.E. does anyone know teachers on f-4 visa's or Korean native teachers that have a DUI that is barred from teaching in private schools.
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FastForward



Joined: 04 Jul 2011

PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
nathanrutledge wrote:
Having a DUI or any crime on your CBC is not going to bar someone from the job. It WILL bar people from the visa.

Since you've got your F visa, it shouldn't be an issue. As Jrwhite says, it could make things harder, but you CAN work anywhere as long as they hire you. DUI's would not be a blanket denial.


Actually, under the new MOE rules (dating from last summer), it may be a denial of registration as a teacher at the POE (meaning that the hagwan/school can't legally employ you).


What did the new MOE rules change? Are F4 visa holders required to submit a CBC now? I go hired in September and only had to submit a copy of my diploma.
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jurassic82



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not sure if it will get you denied a job or not. I personally know a handful of teachers that have worked for public schools and had a DUI (or 2) on their CBC. They had no problem getting and keeping a job with their public school. I guess the rules may have changed but from my 5 years here they are always changing. I am sure you are still fine for working at a hagwon.

Like what was mentioned before, I don't think it bars you from getting a job but I am sure you might have some questions asked. Good Luck!!
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pchi



Joined: 29 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all of the replies,

I wish their was a website where all of these rules are written clearly. I contacted the korean consulate here in the US and they said that DUI's are reviewed on a case by case basis and they said I should be fine to work in Korea public and private.

Guess, I'll just have to find jobs myself and not through recruiters, the moment the recruiters found out about my DUI's they lost interest, i havent heard from them since.

Anyways, if anyone wants to keep updating on this kind of issue, i'll still be checking this post, since the answers that I read that seemed pretty legit are more grey than black and white.
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tideout



Joined: 12 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What jeronimoski is saying about getting it expunged is correct.

You need to follow the record "chain" up the ladder so to speak.

#1) Get a judge to expunge/seal the record at the local level.
#2)If #1 is possible and completed go to the State level with documentation that the incident was sealed by a judge at the local level. Request it's sealed.
#3) If #2 is possible and completed go to the FBI division for records. Explain w/ documentation from previous levels that everything has been sealed. Request they seal this at the Fed level.
#4) Submit a background check at the Fed level to make sure nothing's coming up still. If it is, you need to track the source down and re-submit paperwork showing it was sealed so they need to seal it.
#5 Retest background.


Other point made here is correct - initially, just check to see if the CRC comes up clean or not. No need to go through this if it doesn't show.

State laws on CRC issues vary a great deal. "Liberal" blue states tend to have laws that limit public disclosure so a sealed or expunged record may mean different things in different states depending on the charges, how much time has passed etc..

Red or conservative states like Florida consider you a criminal before you've committed a crime. They're just waiting to confirm their suspicions that you are a low life by finally arresting you. Just one more reason to never vote Republican.
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hagwonnewbie



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Expungement usually only works if you have only a single conviction.

It's possible he could get the most recent one expunged. I doubt he could get both to disappear.
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pchi



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Red or conservative states like Florida consider you a criminal before you've committed a crime. They're just waiting to confirm their suspicions that you are a low life by finally arresting you. Just one more reason to never vote Republican."

lawl

I'm from Utah...
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amoonbot



Joined: 29 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best option for you is to get into contact with private or public schools directly. However, if you possess a good amount of Korean, you can look into corporate/company positions. You can look on the Korean job board (Not Dave's ESL Cafe, WorknPlay, etc) and you'll find jobs that can possibly suit you. Again, most of these jobs require you to be bilingual.
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tideout



Joined: 12 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pchi wrote:
"Red or conservative states like Florida consider you a criminal before you've committed a crime. They're just waiting to confirm their suspicions that you are a low life by finally arresting you. Just one more reason to never vote Republican."

lawl

I'm from Utah...


Well, the law is one thing (usually debatable or even different in many places).

Punishing people on an ongoing basis when they are trying to work seems remarkably counterproductive and extreme - but then again, I'm not from Utah.
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jeronimoski



Joined: 11 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:09 am    Post subject: dd Reply with quote

jurassic82 wrote:
I am not sure if it will get you denied a job or not. I personally know a handful of teachers that have worked for public schools and had a DUI (or 2) on their CBC. They had no problem getting and keeping a job with their public school. I guess the rules may have changed but from my 5 years here they are always changing. I am sure you are still fine for working at a hagwon.

Like what was mentioned before, I don't think it bars you from getting a job but I am sure you might have some questions asked. Good Luck!!


Wait a second here. You are saying that you know of two foreign teachers who got jobs with DUIs on their CBC? Were they E-2s or F visa holders? Did this happen recently?
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jeronimoski



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:14 am    Post subject: ff Reply with quote

And even if you were never convicted, a charge still may show up on your FBI check. You could have had the charge dismissed, but some states still submit these charges to the FBI so it will still show up.
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